From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 24 18:20:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3E616A46F for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:20:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from don.hinton@vanderbilt.edu) Received: from smtp02.smtp.vanderbilt.edu (smtp02.smtp.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4430243D5A for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:20:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from don.hinton@vanderbilt.edu) Received: from smtp02.smtp.vanderbilt.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.smtp.vanderbilt.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/VU-3.7.9C+d3.7.9) with ESMTP id jBOIKiAA001533; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:20:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.10.1.151] (adsl-065-006-140-128.sip.bna.bellsouth.net [65.6.140.128]) by smtp02.smtp.vanderbilt.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/VU-3.7.9.3B+d3.7.9) with ESMTP id jBOIKfmV001519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:20:42 -0600 (CST) From: Don Hinton Organization: ISIS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, danial_thom@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:19:06 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20051224164426.3557.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051224164426.3557.qmail@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2061507.bBT5fCFSuD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200512241219.12940.don.hinton@vanderbilt.edu> Cc: Miguel Saturnino Subject: Re: BSD Question's. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:20:50 -0000 --nextPart2061507.bBT5fCFSuD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Danial: On Saturday 24 December 2005 10:44, Danial Thom wrote: > --- Miguel Saturnino wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 07:34 -0800, Danial Thom > > > > wrote: > > > --- "Michael C. Shultz" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday 24 December 2005 06:54, Daniel > > > > A. > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry for the trouble you have had > > > > with > > > > > > Windows XP. > > > > > > > > > I suggest that you use Linux, as FreeBSD > > > > > > > > really is not targeted at > > > > > > > > > people who want to use graphical user > > > > > > > > interfaces. > > > > > > > > In a few key areas FreeBSD is a better > > > > desktop > > > > > > OS than Linux: Easier to keep > > > > the kernel/world and installed ports up to > > > > date > > > > > > for example without having > > > > to resort to the microsoft/Linux fixall > > > > method > > > > > > of removing and reinstalling > > > > everything every now and again. Your > > > > opinion > > > > > > is correct IMO that FreeBSD > > > > managers put most emphasis on FreeBSD as a > > > > server and little as a desktop. > > > > My guess is because donations(cash) and > > > > hardware support for developers > > > > come from people who want servers while > > > > people > > > > > > who want a desktop OS tend to > > > > donate squat.... > > > > > > > > > The linux developers really have been > > > > trying > > > > > > to make a valuable > > > > > > > > > replacement for Windows, as they somehow > > > > have > > > > > > experienced the same > > > > > > > > > issues with Windows (And Microsoft > > > > products > > > > > > in general) that you have. > > > > > > > > > One Linux distribution in particular that > > > > I > > > > > > think you might like, is > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu. You can download it at > > > > > > > > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/, or order a > > > > > > > > > CD (Free shipping, free CD, you pay > > > > nothing). > > > > > > Advertising Linux in a FreeBSD mailing > > > > list? > > > > > > Sounds like you may have more of > > > > axe to grind against the FreeBSD management > > > > folk than a desire to offer sound > > > > advice.... > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > Why not just tell the truth, which is that > > > Windows XP is the best that you can do for > > > > the > > > > > desktop > > > > Well, that's your opinion. For me, FreeBSD is a > > much better desktop than > > Windows -- it runs solid and fast and enables > > me to be more productive > > in my work. Of course, what is good for me > > might not be so good for > > someone else, I guess it depends on your needs. > > "more productive" in what way? > > Without considering all of the programs I use > that only run in windows (such as my investment > analysis tools, camera interface and photo > editing programs), outline the "productivity" > advantages of FreeBSD in terms of: > > 1) Time from unwrapping the computer to having a > functional and usable system. =46or me, FreeBSD is about twice as fast/easy to install/configure, and=20 infinitely cheaper.=20 > 2) General productivity advantages in a typical > day. ie: what can you do with FreeBSD that you > can't do in WinXP, and what is faster or more > productive in FreeBSD Depends on what you use it for. I'm a C++ developer, and have a need to=20 examine/search/manipulate text files quite often, Windows, out of the box, = is=20 inappropriate for this type of work. I'd have to install all sorts of=20 applications, e.g., cygwin, et al, to get the applications/capabilities tha= t=20 come "out of the box" on a typical *nix system, FreeBSD, Linux, etc... If, on the other hand, you are wedded to an application that only runs on=20 windows, then the question is moot. Unfortunately, there is one windows=20 program I'm forced to use, so I have a cheap laptop that sits on my desk fo= r=20 that purpose. Though I never use it directly, except to reboot it when it= =20 hangs, say once a week, I access it via rdesktop in a window from one of my= =20 =46reeBSD systems, typically my new HP laptop. But no one can convince you of which OS you should use. If you want to try= =20 one, try it. If not, don't. I couldn't care less which OS other people us= e,=20 just as I couldn't care less which car you drive. happy holidays--I'm off to finish my shopping... don=20 > > And please don't take this as an adversarial > post: I haven't looked at the desktop in a while > so I'd really like to know the answers, if in > fact your opinion is objective. > > DT > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =2D-=20 Don Hinton 615.480.5667 ISIS, Vanderbilt University --nextPart2061507.bBT5fCFSuD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDrZEg0U0xbM5cLs0RAqw3AJ0T6zANEUxVEk2WRwIx6qI+jtBiywCff6n6 uAKj3zjmDvPPcJF29IRYRF8= =IUzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2061507.bBT5fCFSuD--