From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 22 18:10:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936E816A441; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:10:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D2244E1B; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:39:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHdEUV023531; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:39:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6MHdDLi020872; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:39:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j6MHdDNq020871; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:39:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:39:13 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20050722173913.GA20844@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200507201959.j6KJxkJl000803@repoman.freebsd.org> <86hdenx5mg.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050721203934.GC1097@anarion> <200507211726.14034.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <1c30f7f77c7adf4e70096cf34ae73e5d@xcllnt.net> <86irz3qgsi.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86irz3qgsi.fsf@xps.des.no> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: src-committers@freebsd.org, John Baldwin , cvs-src@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, Marcel Moolenaar , "Liam J. Foy" , Peter Grehan Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/tools/tools/tinderbox/etc current.rc head.rc update_current.rc update_head.rc X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:10:43 -0000 On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 12:25:01PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote.. > Marcel Moolenaar writes: > > This change was without warning and without cause. He unilaterally > > decided that the work and effort put in by others was beneath his > > attention and concern by making the commit like this. And if des@ is > > incapable of even the most basic forms of communication that he > > cannot express his predicament or explain his reasons for this > > change and ask for input even after the fact, then he shouldn't even > > be making commits in the first place. > > I'm sorry, Marcel, but you are completely off base. > > The tinderbox is a service I provide to the FreeBSD developers because > I (and many others) feel that it is useful. I have spent a lot of > time and effort developing, maintaining and running it for the past > three or four years with *zero* assistance from anyone except Mike > Tancsa (who hosts the current cluster and has gone above & beyond to > keep it running in the face of hardware failures and my screwups) and > John De Boskey (who hosted the previous cluster until Real Life made > it impossible for him to keep up). Most importantly, I have received > no assistance from the FreeBSD Project, and considerable resistance > from several of its members. Not knowing any of the details: would it be possible to spread the load over multiple machines? Say have one box do the tier 1 stuff, box 2 do the tier 2 or something like that? And it is of course reasonable to have this stuff run on the project's machines, kinda crazy that it takes your $$ etc. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org