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Regardless, is there someone within FreeBSD that is working on patches for = this set of problems, at least for Intel? Linux already has at least some, = and I believe NetBSD does too. Of course Windows has already pushed out a W= indows10 fix, 7 and 8 are coming. .................................... Andrew L. Duane - Principal Resident Engineer AT&T Advanced Services Technical Lead Juniper Quality Ambassador m=A0=A0=A0+1 603.770.7088 o +1 408.933.6944 (2-6944) skype: andrewlduane aduane@juniper.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freeb= sd.org] On Behalf Of Eric McCorkle Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 7:43 AM To: Jules Gilbert ; Ronald F. Guilmette <= rfg@tristatelogic.com>; Freebsd Security ; Br= ett Glass ; Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav ; Poul-Henn= ing Kamp ; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; FreeBSD Hackers ; Shawn Webb ; Natha= n Whitehorn Subject: Re: Intel hardware bug On 01/05/2018 05:07, Jules Gilbert wrote: > Sorry guys, you just convinced me that no one, not the NSA, not the=20 > FSB, no one!, has in the past, or will in the future be able to=20 > exploit this to actually do something not nice. Attacks have already been demonstrated, pulling secrets out of kernel space= with meltdown and http headers/passwords out of a browser with spectre. J= avascript PoCs are already in existence, and we can expect them to find the= ir way into adware-based malware within a week or two. Also, I'd be willing to bet you a year's rent that certain three-letter org= anizations have known about and used this for some time. > So what is this, really?, it's a market exploit opportunity for AMD. Don't bet on it. There's reports of AMD vulnerabilities, also for ARM. I doubt any major architecture is going to make it out unscathed. (But if = one does, my money's on Power)