From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 21:46:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855421F8862; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.net) Received: from mx.blih.net (mx.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487HBJ2c8Lz4Fm8; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:46:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.net) Received: from tails.home (lfbn-idf2-1-1164-130.w90-92.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.92.223.130]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id a03ce1e4 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:46:46 +0100 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: "Poul-Henning Kamp" Cc: Paul Mather , Robert Clausecker , freebsd-arm , freebsd-arch Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 Message-Id: <20200129224646.57f8da72786afedcddd6fe75@bidouilliste.net> In-Reply-To: <84926.1580333803@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <17938.1575444597@critter.freebsd.dk> <20191204092402.GA82492@fuz.su> <78425.1580332298@critter.freebsd.dk> <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net> <84926.1580333803@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487HBJ2c8Lz4Fm8 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=bidouilliste.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of manu@bidouilliste.net designates 212.83.155.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=manu@bidouilliste.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.92)[ip: (-6.81), ipnet: 212.83.128.0/19(1.98), asn: 12876(0.23), country: FR(0.00)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[bidouilliste.net,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12876, ipnet:212.83.128.0/19, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:10:24 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:46:49 -0000 On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:36:43 +0000 "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > -------- > In message <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net>, Emmanuel Vadot writes: > > >> RPi's are a LOT easier to get hold of for hackers and in particular > >> for educators. > > > > In what way ? > > Real answer only. > > 1. Schools can get them through their usual suppliers of educational > material, with a pretty decent discount, and with educational > courses and materials, pretty much ready to go. Might be true for some countries. > 2. Most "maker-space" atuned electronics pushers carry them. At their peril. > 3. Big electronics pushers carry them. > > In re 1-3: No customs processing of shipment involved. > > 4. Cost, including shipping is below "trivial" threshold in most > organizations. To all those points: you might be right, but without documentation on the hardware (ALL hardware present in the SoC) we will never be relevent on RPI. And having the doc will never happens, we all shoud focus on other SoCs where docs is available. > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Emmanuel Vadot