From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 16:14:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7AE16B426 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: from groat.ugcs.caltech.edu (groat.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB69B43D7F for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:14:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jd@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: by groat.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3640) id 653165880B; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:14:20 -0700 From: Paul Allen To: Doug Hardie Message-ID: <20060522161420.GB28128@groat.ugcs.caltech.edu> References: <4471361B.5060208@freebsd.org> <66DF01E1-277C-42EE-896E-1E7F4C2ABDDE@lafn.org> <44714F23.6000504@datalinktech.com.au> <2CBCDBD0-CC9F-4B9A-BC79-9F248DFE7A3F@lafn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2CBCDBD0-CC9F-4B9A-BC79-9F248DFE7A3F@lafn.org> Sender: jd@ugcs.caltech.edu Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, David Nugent Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:14:38 -0000 >From Doug Hardie , Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:48:51PM -0700: > Failover sounds good in theory but has significant issues in practice > that make it sometimes worse than the alternative. Take mail > spools. If you failover, mail the user saw before has disappeared. > Then when you "fail back" it reappears and newer messages disappear. > This is hardly unnoticable. My users do not find that at all > acceptable. Putting the mail spools on a different machine just > moves that problem to the different machine. Trying to keep multiple > spools consistent has problems also. I have watched raid system lose It's a hard problem that's why you buy a box to do it: http://www.emc-rainwall.com Rainfinity (recently bought by EMC) has patents on actual peer-reviewed data-replication algorithms. Paul