From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 28 14:07:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A319C37B401 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freshaire.wiz.com (freshaire.wiz.com [66.143.183.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CCD43FD7 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:07:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@wiz.com) Received: from freshaire.wiz.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freshaire.wiz.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5SL7ItJ020362 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:07:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from marc@freshaire.wiz.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by freshaire.wiz.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h5SL7Ip9020361 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:07:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:07:18 -0500 From: Marc Wiz To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20030628210718.GA20317@freshaire.wiz.com> References: <3EFDE90F.3010301@mac.com> <20030628195504.GA20119@freshaire.wiz.com> <3EFDF59E.9050308@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EFDF59E.9050308@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: Re: 11 Hour Installs on KDE? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:07:19 -0000 On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 04:07:58PM -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > >AIX & smit makes X huge and bloated? Smit is an application which > >runs either curses or X for display purposes. It is certainly not > >to blame for X being bloated. > > No: MIT is to blame for X being huge and bloated. > > I was wondering what other blighted aspects of various vendor OS'es that I > could point to that reminded me of the first impression I got of CDE, and > 'smit' was what came to mind when I considered AIX. To put it mildly, I'd > rather have seperate dedicated tools than a jumbo swiss-army knife. That > way, I'd have lots of tools which actually do their particular job well, > rather than single tool which doesn't do anything at all particularly well. I don't wish to get too deep into this since it is off topic for the list but I will for right now. I have worked with smit quite a bit both as a user and as a developer developing and fixing smit menus. If you would take a look under the covers you would find it uses lots of tools to do it's job. In some ways smit is a glorified command wrapper. And it is quite a good one at that. As I mentioned earlier you have two choices for smit; the curses interface and the Motif one. (You probably have a web based interface but I'm not sure about that) Smit does do it's job quite well. I would like to know the reasoning that it does not do anything particularly well. If there is something you don't like you can customize and/or change it's behaviour. I have used similar tools like HP's SAM, whatever AT&T called theirs when SYSVr4 came out and linuxconf. While I smit is the only one of those tools I know a great deal about none of those other tools come close to doing what smit does. For any further discussion we should take this off the list unless somehow it has a bearing on FreeBSD. Marc -- Marc Wiz marc@wiz.com Yes, that really is my last name.