From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 25 08:17:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07733 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07725 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wrm7I-0000cE-00; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:17:16 -0600 To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Subject: Re: (over)zealous mail bouncing Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:02:14 CDT." <199707251502.KAA04543@compound.east.sun.com> References: <199707251502.KAA04543@compound.east.sun.com> <199707241601.LAA03086@compound.east.sun.com> <199707241422.HAA00957@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:17:16 -0600 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199707251502.KAA04543@compound.east.sun.com> Tony Kimball writes: : Um, I would point out that one wouldn't be on an Internet mailing list : unless one were on the Internet. Most computers have nothing to do : with the Internet. There are a large number of email facilities on : mvs, vm, vines, netware, fidonet, uucp, appletalk, or what-have-you. : My 'majority' figure may become a 'minority' in the not-to-distant : future, but the I'm *guessing* that the majority of email-capable : systems are still not Internetworked. Of course this depends on your : definition of Internetworked, and of email-capable. I'm trying to use : colloquial meanings here. The internet has 10M+ hosts on it (as measured by a sampling of the DNS space), as of the last census (if memory serves). I doubt that all the other systems put together that can do email have this many hosts. Also, fidonet and uucp are on the internet[*]. fidonet.org has a gateway function, as does many uucp sites (and bitnet, and decnet, etc, etc). With the possible exception of netware, nothing else even comes remotely close to the size of the internet. And with netware, many installations are gatewayed to the internet. Warner [*] On the internet here means "I can send email to it" rather than "I can send IP packets to it." The south pole is on the net by the former definition, but rarely by the latter.