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Date:      Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:06:03 -0700
From:      Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
To:        mupi@Mknet.org
Cc:        Chris BeHanna <behanna@zbzoom.net>, FreeBSD-Stable <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <15159.50139.551865.224398@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us>
In-Reply-To: <01062500364404.80326@mukappa.home.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.32.0106242057320.18238-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org> <01062500364404.80326@mukappa.home.com>

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Mike Porter writes:
> [Lots of rambling ideas ...]

First of all Mike, quite an interesting post.  Unfortuantely, either the
author of the book didn't understand or didn't explain the CMM well
enough for you to be able to use it.

I have worked as a Software Quality Engineer (really doing Quality, not
being a glorfied tester as the software industry seems to call anyone
who runs a test a "quality engineer", just like anyone who has written a
line of code gets to call themselves a "software engineer"...) and I
have helped organizations achieve CMM Level 3 and above.  If you look at
the actual CMM, you could argue that the general FreeBSD process
qualifies for Level 2, given a little more work on the Project
Management and Configuration Management fronts.  The main things missing
is good design documentation and real attention to CM issues.  However,
I do not think it is possible for any "open source" volunteer effort to
get better than Level 2.  It requires really dedicated resources in the
upper management areas that just won't happen outside of a corporate
context.

Also, when you start throwing process ideas around a group like this,
you might not be received very well...

I suggest you go read the various XP books (eXtreme Programming).  They
are small and easy to digest and are much more applicable to this
environment (except for the pair programming part...)

/Joe

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