From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 7 16:21:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13779 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13767 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id BAA04753; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 01:00:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01004; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:51:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970608005147.50116@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:51:47 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: Michael Smith , stefan@exis.net, pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co, jdd@vbc.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exchange vs. Notes References: <199706070709.QAA11320@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199706070723.AAA01292@MindBender.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: <199706070723.AAA01292@MindBender.serv.net>; from Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com on Sat, Jun 07, 1997 at 12:23:19AM -0700 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jun 07, 1997 at 12:23:19AM -0700, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > Uh yeah, right. Look, I'm all for the free Unix thing myself, but > there really is a market for commercial software and enterprise level > support. Try to get the source code to Digital Unix. Or HP/UX. :-) Michael, I had severe problems, to get the M$ proxy server running. M$ wasn't able to help me with their product and sent me to a M$ $olution Provider. I think M$ isn't able to support the product's they ship. And they aren't able to ship a stable release. All they do is to ship another messy release with lots of new features and bugs .... Netscapes Enterprise Server on WinNT sucks as well. The administration server does hang up sometimes, so I'm not convinced with that product as well ... But since our ISP tells us, that this product doesn't fail on SGI's I still believe, that M$ sucks again, as it does _always_ :-/ I believe that M$ isn't really willed to come up with a stable productivity tool. All they do is to make competition with other companies, try to kick them out of business and to use their genious Marketing Machinery to make people believe, they have fine programs, OS's and tools ... -- Andreas Klemm | klemm.gtn.com - powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/benches.html