From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 15 7:46:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C9037B406 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sage-one.net (adsl-65-71-135-137.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [65.71.135.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4295343E6E for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jackstone@sage-one.net) Received: from sagea (sagea [192.168.0.3]) by sage-one.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAFFkVD50738; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jackstone@sage-one.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021115094626.010abd98@mail.sage-one.net> X-Sender: jackstone@mail.sage-one.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:26 -0600 To: "R. Zoontjens" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" From: "Jack L. Stone" Subject: RE: restore question In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021115085038.010abd98@mail.sage-one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 04:32 PM 11.15.2002 +0100, R. Zoontjens wrote: > >Jack L. Stone wrote, > >> Hard disks, at least IDEs are really inexpensive. Why not just keep a >> second or third HD on your machine(s) to do backups.....?? > >Environmental hazard... like fire e.g. or the server motherboard burns out, >water damage, etc... >I can take tapes to another location. I do not have the money to afford a >hot-site :> > >Don't want my backups near something like this: >http://www.radecom.nl/images/Fire.jpg > >Like the bible of backup/recovery says (Unix backup & recovery -- by Curtis >Preston): > >1. Define (un)acceptable loss >2. Back up everything >3. Organize your backups >--> 4. Protect against disasters >5. Document >6. test,test,test > While that may have been the bible, common sense should apply and also times change. Last time I looked Tape drives and tapes were very expensive. HDs have become cheap, but until a year or so ago, they were not so cheap. This changes the dynamics while that "bible" remains static.... One can buy a 80GB HD for less than $100.00. A 40GB for about $70.00. How much do tape drives & tapes cost..??? I do have tape for quick offsite removal..... BUT, that tape is NOT as current as having a HD backup every day or even several times a day. We're not talking about disaster programs here, but backups and restores expeditiously. Furthermore, I did not say one shouldn't use tapes too if they choose to. Nor did I say I didn't keep backups offsite. One can never have too many backups. But, if I want my CURRENT data to be backed up should my main HD suddenly crash, I don't want to go looking for a tape backup to restore that takes a long time and is not nearly as current. Moreover, take a look, now there are accessories that are like drawers that hold your HD so they slip right in and out. Even have a handle on the front. What is to stop one from pulling out a HD from the backup server that has the server backups...???? If one doesn't have the budget for extra HDs, then other methods must be used obviously.... Common sense + backup/restore program + budget = solution (probably left something out of that quick equation). Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Administrator SageOne Net http://www.sage-one.net jackstone@sage-one.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message