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Date:      Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:20:29 -0800 (PST)
From:      Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
To:        jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Cc:        mike@smith.net.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: why is tcl in base distribution
Message-ID:  <199712180520.VAA00499@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
In-Reply-To: <2939.882411127@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Dec 17, 97 06:12:07 pm"

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According to Jordan K. Hubbard:
> > I agree with this Very Smart Idea. Tcl belongs in the ports collection.
> > Period.
> 
> If you resurrect this flame war 2 weeks before Christmas, Steve,
> I shall personally fly out to wherever you live and kill you. :-)

Well, I did say I live in Seattle.

> Believe me, this has been discussed to *death* (Satoshi wasn't kidding
> when he said there was a 1.6MB archive of mail available if anyone
> wanted to read it) and all we proved was that it was an issue which
> cost far more time and effort to *discuss* than it did to simply live
> with for now and see how the situation develops further.  Resurrecting

I'm well aware of the history having followed the mailing lists/newgroups
since 386BSD+patchkit days.  If you ignore a problem, it doesn't go
away.  This is similar to Uncle Ernie, the family drunk.  As along as
he drinks somewhere else, it's not your problem.

> All of us are also painfully aware of the vaporware status of the
> freebsd admin tools and it's been a long-standing thorn in the side
> for several of us.  I first tried to do this work alone and, not
> surprisingly, it didn't happen.  Then I called for volunteers on it
> (where were you, Steve? :) and, not surprisingly, that didn't work

I've sent in PR's.  Mostly correction to the documentation.  The one
time I tried to improve a tool, my submission was beaten into the 
ground.  If you recall, I modified install(1) to take a -z and/or -Z argument
to compress files during an install.  Bruce or Garrett (if I remember
correctly) added the -C option as a result (among others).

I've also considered stripping everything out of sysinstall that is
not necessary for preparing a new hard drive for use.  The utility
was going to be named newdisk.  However, sysinstall has been a moving
target.

Merry Christmas, Jordan.

-- 
Steve

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