From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 23 23:58:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBC25E0; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lukasz@wasikowski.net) Received: from mail.wasikowski.net (mail.wasikowski.net [IPv6:2001:6a0:1cb::b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B64215AE; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.wasikowski.net (mail.wasikowski.net [IPv6:2001:6a0:1cb::b]) by mail.wasikowski.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CE71ECE; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:58:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wasikowski.net Received: from mail.wasikowski.net ([91.204.91.44]) by mail.wasikowski.net (scan.wasikowski.net [91.204.91.44]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 19m5vrCx7A0T; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:58:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.168.2] (89-66-94-11.dynamic.chello.pl [89.66.94.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.wasikowski.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29B451ECB; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:58:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5177202A.2020902@wasikowski.net> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:58:34 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?xYF1a2FzeiBXxIVzaWtvd3NraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: ada(4) and ahci(4) quirk printing References: <20130422051452.GA2148@icarus.home.lan> <51763BF9.2000506@FreeBSD.org> <20130423092602.GA58831@icarus.home.lan> <51765466.4040209@FreeBSD.org> <4D28DBAE46424C268AA22FCDD8657946@multiplay.co.uk> <20130423114722.GA61919@icarus.home.lan> <20130423125144.GA62949@icarus.home.lan> <20130423134953.GA64010@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , Tom Evans , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:58:40 -0000 W dniu 2013-04-23 18:33, Adrian Chadd pisze: > .. are we really debating this? > > Stop calling them quirks. That sounds like something that won't mess > up your actual runtime. It's not giving them enough "weight". They're > more "device behaviours" or "device flags" or something. Print them > out like that. I think that _not_ printing them out at boot time is > insane. Doubly so if it could cause issues before you can actually run > commands. > > So if it were me, I'd print out the device quirks like we print out > CPU flags. Ie, all the time. I also think that boot verbose is not good place to show this information. I don't use boot verbose unless I have serious boot problems and for sure I'd like to always know if any of my HDDs/SSDs uses those quirks. -- best regards, Lukasz Wasikowski