From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 28 13:51:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A3C37B401 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0444B43ED1 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:51:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from sec.local ([12.88.85.186]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20021228215130.IIKD20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@sec.local>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:51:30 +0000 Received: from mac.com (prime.local [192.168.1.3]) by sec.local (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBSKbngZ003748; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:37:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Message-ID: <3E0E1CDD.2050605@mac.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:51:25 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: htabak@quadtelecom.com Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. References: <3E0DAAF3.7090103@quadtelecom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Harry Tabak wrote: > [This is a resend. Ironically, the orignal was blocked by FreeBSD's spam > filter, I've had to send this from another account] I'm sorry to hear that you've had problems with spam filters; like most things (and most people), they aren't perfect and they sometimes make mistakes. I became a postmaster about the time when the practice of signing a document stating you would not use network access for commercial purposes was no longer being commonly required before one gained network access via DARPAnet, JAnet, and such. My sympathies are very much in agreement with your main point, which is that legitimate email should not be blocked by spam filters. > I recently discovered, and quite by accident, that a FreeBSD ported > package -- spambnc (aka Spambouncer or SB) -- was blocking mail from me > to an unknown number of businesses and individuals on the internet. ...and... > Regardless, I assume that these are reasonable people, and that they > will oil the squeaky wheel as soon as it is convenient. But how will I > ever know that EVERY copy of spambouncer has been fixed? What about > other innocent ISP subscribers who are also black-listed? If one sends a message that could not be delivered, an error report (called a DSN) is returned, describing the problem. People sending legitimate email know who they've sent mail to, right? And when they get DSN's, as you most probably did, you talk to your ISP, etc, etc. How many bounced messages are you talking about, approximately? Would you be willing to give those individuals a phone call to talk about your message, instead, or ask their postmaster to change their spam-filter to let your mail through? [ Because that's basicly what it all comes down to, all of the advocacy for or against regulation aside. FWIW, I block three /16's under 16.0.0.0/8, but yours wasn't one of them-- I checked. Bah...I'm getting 1000+ dictionary scans from DSL pools in .br a day. ] -Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message