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Date:      Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:59:54 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Dan Debertin <airboss@bitstream.net>
To:        freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: allowing passive ftp through ipfw
Message-ID:  <Pine.LNX.4.20.0006220956050.300-100000@dmitri.bitstream.net>
In-Reply-To: <200006221351.e5MDpDN05578@cwsys.cwsent.com>

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote:
> 
> I vehemently disagree.  It is a high risk because an attacker can 
> connect to services running on ports >= 1024, e.g. Oracle.  Even if 
> you're not running any services >= 1024, it is trivial to scan your 
> network to get a picture of what it looks like to plan a strategy of 
> attack.  IMO too much risk.

Provided you aren't running services >= 1024, it becomes quite a bit less
trivial to scan if you set
net.inet.tcp.blackhole=1
net.inet.udp.blackhole=1

> 
> I think that the FTP protocol, needs to be retired.  It is old and not 
> firewall friendly.  HTTP can do everything that anonymous FTP can do.  
> To replace regular FTP, use SSH.  IMO the only place where the use of 
> FTP is acceptable is within the confines of one's own network.
> 

That would be great if there were reasonably common, well-thought-out
clieint software for SCP or SFTP even. The software is there, but compared
to the great variety of FTP software out there, and the degree to which it
makes FTP easy for the unititiated, asking non-computer-literate people
to use SCP is too much. I agree with you on HTTP, though.


~Dan D.
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