From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 30 21: 1:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC4B14CBE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:01:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01111; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <377AE7F4.7D56B888@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:00:52 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Jesus Monroy , Seth , Terry Lambert , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: My FreeBSD Experience ]]]]] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Wow, i'm glad i've never been given the beating you are when I > disagreed with some people on the lists... :) You probably didn't know it, but JMJr. has 6 or 7 years of history with some of the FreeBSD community -- none of it good. We weren't beating him because we disagreed, we were beating him because he's JMJr. and has come back to haunt us and turn our or beloved mailing lists into a twisty maze of incomprehensible blatherings. In fact, I'm not sure JMJr. really exists, I think he's really just a terminal in the monkey cage at some zoo... [Capsule review of editing man pages elided...] > then you log onto irc and point out the url to your patchfile > to the commiters on the channel, or better yet get a "sponsor" > meaning someone who will commit for you and email them the url. Just use send-pr to submit the patch, somebody will get it, review it, and commit it if OK, or bounce it back to you if it needs more work. I don't IRC, it already takes enough time to sift through 600 emails per day. Unlike JMJr., I do occasionally commit things to FreeBSD. ;^) > I used to feel as disillusioned (sp) as you do about the state of doing > things for the FreeBSD project, but it's really quite simple once > you get realize that when they say "show us the diffs" they mean it. Yes, we do. As Seth pointed out, JMJr. has never even bothered to file a problem report with the send-pr command, let alone submit a fix to something, so his grandiose claims of contributions to FreeBSD ring VERY hollow. You have to be careful about sending in good quality patches to FreeBSD, though. If you keep it up, everyone will eventually get tired of committing patches for you and make you do it yourself. ;^) > There is no garantee that your patches will be accepted once you > do all this, but i'd say barring any glaring errors or ommisions > you have a 90% chance of getting doc changes in. > > Sitting on your butt harrasing the doc people will just get you > scorn. It's nice to see people realizing this (as well as not changing the subject line). ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message