From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Thu Jun 7 18:47:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0A8FE8074; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:47:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from smtp2.wemm.org (smtp2.wemm.org [192.203.228.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp2.wemm.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A134E7934D; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 18:47:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from [IPv6:2001:4998:effd:7801::1037] (rav1-1-gci-pool-general-2001-4998-effd-7801-1037.corp.yahoo.com [IPv6:2001:4998:effd:7801::1037]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: peter) by smtp2.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75BDA46E; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wemm.org; s=m20140428; t=1528397249; bh=bEPVHva9jd6BpBX/8G4KnDuNJ3qkRauUaZb0M58jQaE=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=HOb0sZQGU3WrRAfc8unDaCCReizKHYKD+jbl/ZFTs7AMzbxOZ1QeJvHNlNotaweRX 1NSetYoCh4y2NO/46Yk/e3T+A/WhiYIITuUG1rMBx1vDSGPUzZuUmw0x16CnpAacXe 3G146eONo+J1d3dUoj24DeUhsMFz1F/ErvakIAO8= Subject: Re: svn commit: r334617 - in head: . etc To: Ian Lepore , rgrimes@FreeBSD.org, Brad Davis Cc: Konstantin Belousov , Eugene Grosbein , Alexander Leidinger , Kyle Evans , src-committers , svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org References: <201806061833.w56IXWBC006288@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <1528315608.25377.3.camel@freebsd.org> From: Peter Wemm Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:47:27 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1528315608.25377.3.camel@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 02:13:45 +0000 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 18:47:31 -0000 On 6/6/18 4:06 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 11:33 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >>>> On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 01:39:00AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >>>>> 06.06.2018 1:26, Konstantin Belousov wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> I find it often very useful to do >>>>>>>>  (cd src/etc/rc.d && make install) >>>>>>>> Same for defaults and several other directories which in >>>>>>>> fact >>>>>>>> contains> > >>> non-editable content.  Is this planned to >>>>>>>> keep working ? >>>>>>> The short answer is, no.  All rc.d scripts get moved to the >>>>>>> src >>>>>>> of the program they start.> > >> >>>>>>> That said, if there is a big need for this, we can see >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> options to keep them working.> > >> >>>>>>> What are you trying to accomplish when you do this?  Just >>>>>>> verify >>>>>>> the rc.d scripts match your src tree?> > > >>>>>> I avoid mergemaster/etcupdate and whatever else. rc.d and >>>>>> /etc/rc,> > > /etc/rc.subr /etc/rc.network are not suitable >>>>>> to etc, they are >>>>>> binaries> > > provided by the project not for the user >>>>>> editing. >>>>>> >>>>>> When upgrading the host, esp. on HEAD, i usually refresh >>>>>> scripts >>>>>> by this> > > procedure and avoid any editing and implied >>>>>> conflict resolution >>>>>> for real> > > configs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not being able to easily install clean copies of these >>>>>> scripts >>>>>> would> > > be very inconvenient and time consuming. >>>>> I found that "mergemaster -iFUP" deals with unchanged files >>>>> including mentioned rc* scripts just fine.> > That is, it >>>>> automatically refreshes unchanged files without any >>>>> silly questions just for change of $FreeBSD$.> >>>> No, you missed the point.  Whatever nice is the handling of >>>> unchanged files,> use of mergemaster forces me to handle changed >>>> files, which is exactly> what I do not want/need to do.  Yes, I >>>> update crashboxes very >>>> often, and> I want to get all new code, including the startup >>>> scripts, when >>>> I update. >>> The startup scripts will be installed as part of installworld. >> So each installworld would wipe over the top of any localmod >> /etc/rc.d/ and other stuff >> that mght exist? >> One of the reasons that etc/Makefile is detached from Installword is >> so that >> /etc does not get perturbuted unless specifically requested. >> > I don't understand the drama over this.  rc.d startup scripts are > *binaries*. Users are not expected to modify the system installed > binaries, and if they do, it is expected that the next installworld > will replace them with the system binaries again. > This is not the case.  Example: /etc/rc.d/serial Other random examples of things installed by etc/Makefile that are expected to be merged rather than spammed as part of an installworld: etc/ttys etc/inetd.conf etc/dhclient.conf etc/login.conf etc/sysctl.conf -Peter