Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:02:36 +0200 From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@des.no> To: Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> Cc: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>, FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 Message-ID: <86ve0kk7k3.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <2892DF94-B346-4F36-9D32-165A2EA462D1@netconsonance.com> (Jo Rhett's message of "Sat\, 7 Jun 2008 13\:04\:16 -0700") References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <4846D849.2090005@FreeBSD.org> <80D7EE2D-A970-407B-A42C-AD17500BC463@netconsonance.com> <861w3cf2pj.fsf@ds4.des.no> <2892DF94-B346-4F36-9D32-165A2EA462D1@netconsonance.com>
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Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav <des@des.no> writes: > > If you have issues with 6.3, your time would be better spent > > reporting them (by which I mean describe them in detail) than waving > > your hands in the air and yelling at people. > Must you resort to nonsense and hyperbole? I'll stop the minute you start backing your claims with data - by which I mean PR numbers at the very least, and preferably information about the outcome of your own tests. > I'd said nearly a dozen times that the issues I have aren't specifics. You mean apart from this: > gmirror failures, 3ware raid driver timeouts, bge0 problems. All > three in production use on dozens of systems. or this: > The bugs in question were very well documented. Sounds to me like you have something pretty specific in mind - yet you consistently refuse to share any of it with us. Every time someone asks you for more information, you dodge the issue with nonsense like the following: > I am questioning the overall policy for EoL here. Even if it was known > to work properly on my hardware the overwhelming amount of bugs in 6.3 > indicates an unstable release. Which overwhelming amount of bugs? Mark Linimon gave you the numbers: > Finally, here are some statistics about PR count: >=20 > rel all kern > --- --- ---- > 6.0 210 91 > 6.1 217 81 > 6.2 396 102 > 6.3 167 56 > 7.0 563 140 >=20 > To me, this doesn't look like an overwhelming case for 6.3 being worse > off than 6.2. Yes, I'm sure there are regressions: there are in any > release. Looks like there are significantly fewer open PRs against 6.3 than against 6.2. > The diffs between 6.3 and 6-STABLE are greater than the diffs between > 6.2 and 6.3 last time I checked. Yet another claim that is simply not supported by evidence: des@ds4 ~/projects/freebsd/releng_6/src% ncvs diff -Nu -rRELENG_6_2_BP -rRE= LENG_6_3_BP >/tmp/releng62-releng63.diff des@ds4 ~/projects/freebsd/releng_6/src% ncvs diff -Nu -rRELENG_6_3_BP -rRE= LENG_6 >/tmp/releng63-releng6.diff des@ds4 ~/projects/freebsd/releng_6/src% wc /tmp/releng6* 1177219 4227294 48994670 /tmp/releng62-releng63.diff 481059 2094131 16180209 /tmp/releng63-releng6.diff 1658278 6321425 65174879 total > I can't understand the logic in having only a single supported version > of the OS, especially one which so many known/reported/fixed-post-=20 > release bugs. As you have been repeatedly told: we do what we can with the resources we have. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no
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