From owner-svn-src-user@freebsd.org Mon Mar 26 18:13:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-user@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A4FF5D3B8 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:13:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A6C16AC8E; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w2QIDXfG048334; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w2QIDX15048333; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201803261813.w2QIDX15048333@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r331461 - in user/markj/netdump/sys: kern netinet/netdump sys vm In-Reply-To: <1621825.K6AdhHRnSW@ralph.baldwin.cx> To: John Baldwin Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) CC: rgrimes@freebsd.org, Mark Johnston , Andriy Gapon , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-user@freebsd.org Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: svn-src-user@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the experimental " user" src tree" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:13:36 -0000 > On Saturday, March 24, 2018 08:40:24 AM Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 02:17:02PM +0200, Andriy Gapon wrote: > > > > On 24/03/2018 04:46, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > I know this is on a private branch, but when/if it > > > > > is merged this becomes part of the main line. > > > > > > > > Not with svn, I think. > > > > At least, the way we use it. > > > > > > Indeed, I have no intention to merge the branch directly. I'm using an > > > svn branch so that it's marginally easier for others to test. > > > > None the less as stated in: > > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/projects/GUIDELINES.txt?view=markup > > > > 12 General guidelines: > > 13 > > 14 * Should be relevant to FreeBSD. > > 15 * Should be at least conceivably of interest to somebody else. > > 16 * Should be in a format that is suitable to merge into the base tree. > > 17 * Should be something that is worth people's time to read commit mail for. > > 18 * Write decent commit messages! > > > > Thanks, > > We generally don't do that for user, etc. branches. Merging from a > projects/user branch into head in svn is often a disaster due to svn's > limitations, so normally a projects/user branch is treated as a work area > and the resulting diff is then hand-applied to head with a suitable commit > message that describes the entire change. This is similar to using something > like 'git rebase' to rewrite history and compress a long tail of changes > down to a small number of commits prior to merging to head. I was quoting from a document that is specifically addressing "user and project" branches. It seems we have a conflict of opionion on this. > You generally don't see these work branches in svn as most developers do them > outside of svn in git, p4, hg, etc. due to svn's limitations. > > For things that live permanently in user/projects (e.g. the code for core > elections or the patches for freebsd-update), we do want standard commit > messages. However, I don't think we want to impose that on WIP branches > that are later compressed down before merging. Then why bother mailing them to @committers and having us all read through them. I am sure that was Peters intent when he wrote this guideline. And as far as I am aware all things in user/projects are permanent, and globally mirrored. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org