From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Nov 15 16:11:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13CEA2FABD; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52F2A1E40; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9967D28473; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:10:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-86-49-16-209.net.upcbroadband.cz [86.49.16.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B404728430; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:10:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5648AE8A.1010204@quip.cz> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:10:50 +0100 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/35.0 SeaMonkey/2.32 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marino@freebsd.org, Andrey Chernov , Baptiste Daroussin CC: NGie Cooper , Craig Rodrigues , freebsd-current Current , "freebsd-testing@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Need help fixing failing locale tests References: <69242BD8-9010-47F0-9706-BE206376ECEA@gmail.com> <289892B6-EACE-4BDA-B838-D3DC750319DE@gmail.com> <56482FA9.2010803@marino.st> <56487973.5070803@freebsd.org> <20151115124656.GB93991@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <564880FA.5000009@freebsd.org> <564882A3.7060109@marino.st> <5648842E.3050203@freebsd.org> <5648853F.2050901@marino.st> <56488A76.1090502@freebsd.org> <56488E8C.9080901@marino.st> <56489932.1080504@freebsd.org> <56489AEA.4060100@marino.st> In-Reply-To: <56489AEA.4060100@marino.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:11:00 -0000 John Marino wrote on 11/15/2015 15:47: > On 11/15/2015 3:39 PM, Andrey Chernov wrote: >> As I already say, I don't want to insist on any particular point of view >> in such area as human behavior. I just say that it is POLA violation >> (even while it is upgrade) and we can let users decide by themselves, >> what it best for them (without me at least). > > I am starting to think "POLA" as an acronym is subject to abuse. By > this definition, *any* change would "astonish" a user (picturing the > most incompetent user impossible too). > > POLA is meant for unreasonable and unexplained changes. I don't think > tidying up locales for the first time in a decade is unreasonable or > unexplained. > > Let's not dilute "POLA". It's pretty good but you can apply it to anything. I agree. Everytime FreeBSD is changing something in the base, there are voices with "POLA". Removing Perl from base, removing BIND from base... these were more significant changes than changing something in locales. Miroslav Lachman