Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 23:41:41 +0300 From: Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org> To: Rainer Duffner <rainer@ultra-secure.de> Cc: freebsd-current Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <57154685.4090300@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <2D6C2427-806C-4F18-8B1C-263CCC34CF21@ultra-secure.de> References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <571533B8.6090109@freebsd.org> <20160418194010.GX1554@FreeBSD.org> <57153E80.4080800@FreeBSD.org> <2D6C2427-806C-4F18-8B1C-263CCC34CF21@ultra-secure.de>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --O8cVHmE8THSNP5MgSLIHkeplwNTaQ3OC3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="7m9emhQCX2aDmuGitkM3ap4av7pJU6Pwi" From: Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org To: Rainer Duffner <rainer@ultra-secure.de> Cc: freebsd-current Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <57154685.4090300@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <571533B8.6090109@freebsd.org> <20160418194010.GX1554@FreeBSD.org> <57153E80.4080800@FreeBSD.org> <2D6C2427-806C-4F18-8B1C-263CCC34CF21@ultra-secure.de> In-Reply-To: <2D6C2427-806C-4F18-8B1C-263CCC34CF21@ultra-secure.de> --7m9emhQCX2aDmuGitkM3ap4av7pJU6Pwi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18.04.2016 23:30, Rainer Duffner wrote: > From the discussion, I believe it=E2=80=99s primarily driven by the nee= d/desire to have small packages to make updates easier on the mirror-serv= ers. It is bad driver. Mirror servers are hardware. And this enormous number of packages cause problems for people (system administrators and operations). I've read almost whole thread and looks like people, who raise voice against such fine-grained splitting, are mostly ops of many servers, including legacy ones (and 11 will be legacy in 5 years, too!). Not developers, not code contributors, but "end-users" of server OS. > I hope a way is found to manage these number of packages without > losing sanity and that a normal pkg info doesn=E2=80=99t list them. > And that pkg upgrade doesn=E2=80=99t upgrade base-packages. And there are my (and not only my) worries, too! --=20 // Lev Serebryakov --7m9emhQCX2aDmuGitkM3ap4av7pJU6Pwi-- --O8cVHmE8THSNP5MgSLIHkeplwNTaQ3OC3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJXFUaGXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRGOTZEMUNBMEI1RjQzMThCNjc0QjMzMEFF QUIwM0M1OEJGREM0NzhGAAoJEOqwPFi/3EePvbwP/3Wns45auSdeihOiMZvNQT2L NlF1mz+ZIKTRimyecbDXTWX0zK+hmykw1kpmsplQaE99Tc6yOEfWZLhhU4Cn5+j0 uNt6azja8SZuFxJ8yMA1D122f0fvH/Krn6CkOHRkprKXiFJ4QN6qGdOEnX1JptGZ EpAuFuFdMVA5esw4sDXsS854NAiRDRo759n8ruktTvG0cawZdahc4R2L4Y0KflPe rZUPwbCBsqCAl9pLFeG9NmBYe7yFC4K95bLLcntC81K4yNm4DvNq8ZneS9tRzoeb Z5/z+/1J5DbeYXQuIW3kXNg7SiWFwRekiysvDPtCdFq14W4TE03up7SdLlx57cl/ Z8j3BLbiG5b0D77zXMGqYAQfKDdw6o8w6tmnfnJbtM/Nzpz/GKqjMFeNLRC5FQkl yBvgsFLYPzPkYYAYDx5xbUNRPiIjrVgGJ2TyPqgK0S4YOCzUWqayxC/Ur5jEpaWN y6+pFhPj6+pB1yswKCDq8O66DRLys/Q97W9RSFoEoMzKimNNdbsatJoBdTQIIUcW T7LKfQYaKNGCYz/JfYLrI/IyUhk7AfGwzB08k6EYdcOua4D76ATXD8ACNZz7bLw3 MdbfaYZMXmXkb2AV77BmFcyiHXEVXNa+c316kWQk+vNy+E0nqezOhAo9A/X5tweB ilzvWSecUuF/3RMBhqhC =dKv5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --O8cVHmE8THSNP5MgSLIHkeplwNTaQ3OC3--
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