From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 10:49:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C26E8DFF3 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [46.251.251.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "0x20.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F89E7FFAC for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from e.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [46.251.251.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEB96A2BDF; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:49:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (from lars@localhost) by e.0x20.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBBAn6Iu072141; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:49:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lars) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:49:06 +0100 From: Lars Engels To: Chris H Cc: Adam Weinberger , sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Procmail Vulnerabilities check Message-ID: <20171211104906.GW19238@e.0x20.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 8.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:49:10 -0000 On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 02:58:29PM -0800, Chris H wrote: > OK I'm puzzled a bit. FreeBSD' motto has always been: > FreeBSD > The power to serve! > > but many of the proposed, and recent changes/removals end up more like: > FreeBSD > I's castrated! > So, then we should add a web server into our base! Apache? NGINX? Both? But then, what about PHP? MySQL? PostgreSQL? We want to serve websites, after all! Let's talk about fileservers. Samba! I could go on... FreeBSD's power to serve slogan is about delivering the platform to serve, not all possible server software. It just happens to have a mail server in base because it always had, that's nothing that needs to be kept forever. Probably 99% of the users don't use sendmail and the remaining 1% know how to configure it, so installing them from ports is a trivial thing for them.