From owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org Wed Jul 17 12:16:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798EBAB482 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuexen@freebsd.org) Received: from drew.franken.de (mail-n.franken.de [193.175.24.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.franken.de", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F1B876BD2 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuexen@freebsd.org) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:8109:1140:c3d:7843:89ae:ec92:371] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8109:1140:c3d:7843:89ae:ec92:371]) (Authenticated sender: macmic) by mail-n.franken.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37F3C72106C28; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:16:37 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: Issues with TCP Timestamps allocation From: Michael Tuexen In-Reply-To: <20190717115502.GA53155@hell.ukr.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:16:36 +0200 Cc: Paul , freebsd-net@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8763FDC7-8B71-41C3-8D1C-10416DA9A871@freebsd.org> References: <1562591379.369129000.gpmxvurq@frv39.fwdcdn.com> <1562599181.734953000.1l9a1d23@frv39.fwdcdn.com> <0C475A01-9BCD-4E4A-9731-09AB919CA9BE@freebsd.org> <1562676414.933145000.z3zteyqp@frv39.fwdcdn.com> <1E9F3F99-C3E9-44DD-AA70-9B11E19D4769@freebsd.org> <20190717074243.GA65665@hell.ukr.net> <20190717100926.GA24984@hell.ukr.net> <48817BF6-AEDD-4D28-95F8-A4D53E4999B1@freebsd.org> <20190717115502.GA53155@hell.ukr.net> To: Vitalij Satanivskij X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP,NUMERIC_HTTP_ADDR autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail-n.franken.de X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0F1B876BD2 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.97 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:680, ipnet:193.174.0.0/15, country:DE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:16:42 -0000 > On 17. Jul 2019, at 13:55, Vitalij Satanivskij wrote: >=20 > MT> > MT> In the meantime you can deal with the buggy hosts by = disabling the timestamps > MT> > MT> or dropping extensions on SYN retransmits. > MT> >=20 > MT> > You meen by some code changes? > MT> No. > MT>=20 > MT> Two options: > MT>=20 > MT> Option 1: Drop the TCP timestamp option on the third = retransmission > MT> To enable this, you configure on the client > MT> sudo sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.rexmit_drop_options=3D1 > MT> or put > MT> net.inet.tcp.rexmit_drop_options=3D1 > MT> in /etc/sysctl.conf > MT> and reboot > MT> In case of the broken host, the first SYN retransmission will = happen 1 second after the > MT> initial SYN segment, the second retransmission will happen 1.2 = seconds after the first. On the > MT> third retransmission, which happens again 1.2 seconds later, the = TCP timestamp option is > MT> dropped and the connection setup will succeed. This gives you a = total delay of 3.4 seconds > MT> on connection setup instead of the longer timeout. >=20 > First Option is not working. Steel see same behave. Interesting. It works for me: tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 33637 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- = 33575 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 4834 0 --:--:-- 0:00:03 --:--:-- = 4833 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 35813 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- = 35813 tuexen@head:~ % time curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 48320 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- = 48320 0.012u 0.031s 0:00.39 10.2% 140+245k 0+0io 0pf+0w tuexen@head:~ % time curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 4592 0 --:--:-- 0:00:03 --:--:-- = 4591 0.031u 0.010s 0:03.99 1.0% 80+140k 0+0io 0pf+0w tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 37815 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- = 37737 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 27261 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- = 27220 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 4533 0 --:--:-- 0:00:04 --:--:-- = 4533 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 48320 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- = 48192 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 4746 0 --:--:-- 0:00:03 --:--:-- = 4745 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 4500 0 --:--:-- 0:00:04 --:--:-- = 4767 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 4726 0 --:--:-- 0:00:03 --:--:-- = 4726 tuexen@head:~ % curl https://vitagramma.com > /dev/null % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time = Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left = Speed 100 18265 0 18265 0 0 34268 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- = 34332 tuexen@head:~ %=20 So it either works immediately or with a delay of 3 to 4 seconds... Best regards Michael >=20 >=20 > MT>=20 > MT> Option 2: Disable the TCP timestamps (and window scaling) > MT> To enable this, you configure on the client > MT> sudo sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=3D0 > MT> or put > MT> net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=3D0 > MT> in /etc/sysctl.conf > MT> and reboot. > MT> This disables the timestamp option and window scaling completely. = This allows you to > MT> setup the connections without any delay. However, you don't have = the benefits of the > MT> extension. > MT>=20 > MT> Both options don't require any code changes. >=20 > This option was tested some time before. Yep it's help. But overal = performance of tcp networking ... Let's say to bad :( >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > MT> Best regards > MT> Michael > MT>=20 > MT>=20 > MT> >=20 > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT>=20 > MT> > MT> Best regards > MT> > MT> Michael > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > Michael Tuexen wrote: > MT> > MT> > MT>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > On 9. Jul 2019, at 14:58, Paul = wrote: > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > Hi Michael, > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > 9 July 2019, 15:34:29, by "Michael Tuexen" = : > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>> On 8. Jul 2019, at 17:22, Paul = wrote: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>> 8 July 2019, 17:12:21, by "Michael Tuexen" = : > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> On 8. Jul 2019, at 15:24, Paul = wrote: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> Hi Michael, > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> 8 July 2019, 15:53:15, by "Michael Tuexen" = : > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> On 8. Jul 2019, at 12:37, Paul = wrote: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> Hi team, > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> Recently we had an upgrade to 12 Stable. = Immediately after, we have started=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> seeing some strange connection establishment = timeouts to some fixed number > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> of external (world) hosts. The issue was = persistent and easy to reproduce. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> Thanks to a patience and dedication of our = system engineer we have tracked =20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> this issue down to a specific commit: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> = https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&revision=3D338053 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> This patch was also back-ported into 11 = Stable: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> = https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&revision=3D348435 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> Among other things this patch changes the = timestamp allocation strategy, > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> by introducing a deterministic randomness via = a hash function that takes > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> into account a random key as well as source = address, source port, dest > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> address and dest port. As the result, = timestamp offsets of different > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> tuples (SA,SP,DA,DP) will be wildly different = and will jump from small=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> to large numbers and back, as long as = something in the tuple changes. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> Hi Paul, > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> this is correct. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> Please note that the same happens with the old = method, if two hosts with > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> different uptimes are bind a consumer grade = NAT. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> If NAT does not replace timestamps then yes, it = should be the case. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> After performing various tests of hosts that = produce the above mentioned=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> issue we came to conclusion that there are = some interesting implementations=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> that drop SYN packets with timestamps smaller = than the largest timestamp=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> value from streams of all recent or current = connections from a specific=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> address. This looks as some kind of SYN flood = protection. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> This also breaks multiple hosts with different = uptimes behind a consumer > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> level NAT talking to such a server. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> To ensure that each external host is not going = to see a wild jumps of=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> timestamp values I propose a patch that = removes ports from the equation > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> all together, when calculating the timestamp = offset: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> Index: sys/netinet/tcp_subr.c > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> --- sys/netinet/tcp_subr.c (revision = 348435) > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> +++ sys/netinet/tcp_subr.c (working copy) > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> @@ -2224,7 +2224,22 @@ > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> uint32_t > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> tcp_new_ts_offset(struct in_conninfo *inc) > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> { > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> - return (tcp_keyed_hash(inc, = V_ts_offset_secret)); > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + /*=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + * Some implementations show a = strange behaviour when a wildly random=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + * timestamps allocated for different = streams. It seems that only the > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + * SYN packets are affected. Observed = implementations drop SYN packets > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + * with timestamps smaller than the = largest timestamp value of all=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + * recent or current connections from = specific a address. To mitigate=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + * this we are going to ensure that = each host will always observe=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + * timestamps as increasing no matter = the stream: by dropping ports > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + * from the equation. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + */=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + struct in_conninfo inc_copy =3D *inc; > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + inc_copy.inc_fport =3D 0; > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + inc_copy.inc_lport =3D 0; > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> + return (tcp_keyed_hash(&inc_copy, = V_ts_offset_secret)); > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> } > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> /* > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> In any case, the solution of the uptime leak, = implemented in rev338053 is=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> not going to suffer, because a supposed = attacker is currently able to use=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> any fixed values of SP and DP, albeit not 0, = anyway, to remove them out=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> of the equation. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> Can you describe how a peer can compute the = uptime from two observed timestamps? > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> I don't see how you can do that... > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> Supposed attacker could run a script that = continuously monitors timestamps, > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> for example via a periodic TCP connection from a = fixed local port (eg 12345)=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> and a fixed local address to the fixed victim's = address and port (eg 80). > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> Whenever large discrepancy is observed, attacker = can assume that reboot has=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> happened (due to V_ts_offset_secret = re-generation), hence the received=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> timestamp is considered an approximate point of = reboot from which the uptime > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> can be calculated, until the next reboot and so = on. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> Ahh, I see. The patch we are talking about is not = intended to protect against > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> continuous monitoring, which is something you can = always do. You could even > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> watch for service availability and detect = reboots. A change of the local key > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> would also look similar to a reboot without a = temporary loss of connectivity. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> Thanks for the clarification. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> There is the list of example hosts that we = were able to reproduce the=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> issue with: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> curl -v http://88.99.60.171:80 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> curl -v http://163.172.71.252:80 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> curl -v http://5.9.242.150:80 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> curl -v https://185.134.205.105:443 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> curl -v https://136.243.1.231:443 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> curl -v https://144.76.196.4:443 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> curl -v http://94.127.191.194:80 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> To reproduce, call curl repeatedly with a same = URL some number of times.=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> You are going to see some of the requests = stuck in=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> `* Trying XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX...` > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> For some reason, the easiest way to reproduce = the issue is with nc: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> $ echo "foooooo" | nc -v 88.99.60.171 80 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> Only a few such calls are required until one = of them is stuck on connect(): > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>> issuing SYN packets with an exponential = backoff. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> Thanks for providing an end-point to test with. = I'll take a look. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> Just to be clear: You are running a FreeBSD = client against one of the above > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> servers and experience the problem with the new = timestamp computations. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> You are not running arbitrary clients against a = FreeBSD server... > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> We are talking about FreeBSD being the client. = Peers that yield this unwanted > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> behaviour are unknown. Little bit of tinkering = showed that some of them run=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> Debian: > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> telnet 88.99.60.171 22 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> Trying 88.99.60.171... > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> Connected to 88.99.60.171. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> Escape character is '^]'. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> Also some are hosted by Hetzner, but not all. = I'll will look into > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> this tomorrow, since I'm on a deadline today = (well it is 2am tomorrow > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> morning, to be precise)... > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>> Thanks a lot, I would appreciate that. > MT> > MT> > MT> >> Hi Paul, > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> I have looked into this. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> * The FreeBSD behaviour is the one which is = specified in the last bullet item > MT> > MT> > MT> >> in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7323#section-5.4 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> It is also the one, which is RECOMMENDED in > MT> > MT> > MT> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7323#section-7.1=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> * My NAT box (a popular one in Germany) does NOT = rewrite TCP timestamps. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> This means that the host you are referring to have = some sort of protection, > MT> > MT> > MT> >> which makes incorrect assumptions. It will also = break multiple hosts behind > MT> > MT> > MT> >> a NAT. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> I can run > MT> > MT> > MT> >> curl -v http://88.99.60.171:80 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> in a loop without any problems from a FreeBSD head = system. I tested 1000 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> iterations or so. The TS.val is jumping up and down = as expected. > MT> > MT> > MT> >> I'm wondering why you are observing errors in this = case, too. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> However, doing something like > MT> > MT> > MT> >> echo "foooooo" | nc -v 88.99.60.171 80 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> triggers the problem. > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> So I think there is some functionality (in a = middlebox or running on the host), > MT> > MT> > MT> >> which incorrectly assume monotonic timestamps = between multiple TCP connections > MT> > MT> > MT> >> coming from the same IP address, but only in case = of errors at the application layer. > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > Yeah, exactly, some hosts seem to enable this only = in case of an error in HTTP > MT> > MT> > MT> > communication (some smart proxy?). However, there = are some that behave this way > MT> > MT> > MT> > regardless of errors, for example these: > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > curl -v https://185.134.205.105:443 > MT> > MT> > MT> > curl -v https://136.243.1.231:443 > MT> > MT> > MT> Wireshark sees an Encrypted Alert in both cases. So I = guess this is another indication > MT> > MT> > MT> of "error at the application layer". > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> Do you have any insights whether the hosts you are = listed share something in > MT> > MT> > MT> >> common. Some of them are hosted by Hetzner, but not = all. > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > Nope. A whole set of endpoints that we have detected = so far is pretty diverse, > MT> > MT> > MT> > containing a lot of different locations = geographically, as well as different > MT> > MT> > MT> > hosters. > MT> > MT> > MT> OK. Thanks for the clarification. > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> I think in general, it is the correct thing to = include the port numbers in > MT> > MT> > MT> >> the offset computation. We might add a sysctl = variable to control the inclusion. > MT> > MT> > MT> >> This would allow interworking with broken = middleboxes. > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > Yeah, I completely agree that these rare cases = should not dictate the implementation. > MT> > MT> > MT> > But an ability to enable a work-around via sysctl = would be greatly appreciated. > MT> > MT> > MT> > Currently we are unable to roll-out the upgrade = across all servers because of this > MT> > MT> > MT> > issue: even though it happens not so often, a lot of = requests from our users=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > get stuck or fail all together. For example, a host = 185.134.205.105 is a kind of > MT> > MT> > MT> > social network that our proxy servers connect to so = securely access to content, > MT> > MT> > MT> > such as images, on behalf of our users. > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> Please note, this does not fix the case of multiple = clients behind a NAT. > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > Yeah, that's true. Fortunately we don't use NAT. > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> I'm also trying to figure out how and why Linux and = Windows are handling this. > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> > Thanks for bothering! > MT> > MT> > MT> Will let you know what I figure out. > MT> > MT> > MT>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> Best regards > MT> > MT> > MT> Michael > MT> > MT> > MT> >=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >> Best regards > MT> > MT> > MT> >> Michael > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> Best regards > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>> Michael=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> Best regards > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>> Michael > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>>>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> >>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT>=20 > MT> > MT> > MT> _______________________________________________ > MT> > MT> > MT> freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > MT> > MT> > MT> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > MT> > MT> > MT> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > MT> > MT>=20 > MT> > MT> _______________________________________________ > MT> > MT> freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > MT> > MT> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > MT> > MT> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > MT>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"