From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 13:56:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECD637B401; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B1D43FA3; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:56:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6UKuqCE072838; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:56:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6UKuq6G072837; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:56:52 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20030730205652.GA72822@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030729174453.GA1201@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org cc: Ruslan Ermilov cc: Marcel Moolenaar cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Wilko Bulte cc: Scott Long Subject: Re: Floppies for ALPHA X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:56:55 -0000 On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:49:07PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 29-Jul-2003 David O'Brien wrote: > > [ Reply-to: set back to list ] > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 07:38:48PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 12:54:36PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > >> > I've got that feeling that the consensus was to drop the floppy > >> > support for Alpha, as supporting it becomes a nightmare. If so, > >> > >> Yes, that consensus seems to be there. Finally.. :) > >> > >> The question is if the way forward is a minimini.iso so a really > >> minimal ISO image (<< in size that miniinst.iso) or some other mechanism > >> like NetBSD or ancient SunOS 3.x used. Which, IIRC, was an image one dropped > >> in to the swap area of a disk and booted from. > > > > Why do we have to choose one? We should offer multiple ways (as we do > > today). The problem is not offering a small downloadable image to > > install an Alpha from -- but that 1.44MB is a ridiculous size constraint > > for that image. > > All we need is a truly miniiso. More of a boot-only iso. The same thing > could be stuck in a UFS image if people wish. Basically a /R/cdrom/boot > that contains just the /boot directory contents. People can then either > make an ISO from that or they can make a UFS image and dd it to a disk. > > This would be orthogonal to floppies, btw. Probably we would always > create the boot.iso area under /R and on archs that can use it, we can > create a UFS disk image that contains that system. On the other hand, > if dd'ing an actual ISO works fine, then we could just leave it at that. Given that I just put an extra disk in the 4100 I'll try that and report back. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte