From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 1 22:28:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1505016A41F; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:28:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arno@heho.snv.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD7143D45; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:28:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arno@heho.snv.jussieu.fr) Received: from heho.snv.jussieu.fr (heho.snv.jussieu.fr [134.157.184.22]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.12.11/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id j71MS2kv065693 ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 00:28:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 165 Received: from heho.snv.jussieu.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heho.snv.jussieu.fr (8.13.3/jtpda-5.2) with ESMTP id j71MS0TF097301 ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 00:28:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from arno@localhost) by heho.snv.jussieu.fr (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j71MS0Ep097298; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 00:28:00 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from arno) To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <53d4293a37f280317d52338c2fc6fc6d@FreeBSD.org> <20050612025402.GD67746@dragon.NUXI.org> <200506151655.52894.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20050616010629.GA3554@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Arno J. Klaassen" Date: 02 Aug 2005 00:28:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20050616010629.GA3554@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.2 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.165]); Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:28:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Antivirus: scanned by sophie at shiva.jussieu.fr X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 42EEA1F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Death to toor X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:28:08 -0000 Hello, [ stuff deleted ] > > > > Is there any good reason to keep the toor account around nowadays? > > > > > > Yes. Some of us use it. from a user point of view, I use toor on all machines, basically for two reasons : - I don't feel confident to change default root shell (might be wrong but I have had way too many problems "solved" by setting SHELL and/or CONFIG_SHELL to yet another one); things are tested with the default shell, OK, I use it when running in problems - quite a lot of my customors "need/want" root access (including the possibility to change it's passwd); keeping a toor account with a well kept secret by me passwd saves me a lot of trouble (a part from systems needing root passwd for catastrophic single user boot) My $0.02 Arno PS, as a side-node I prefer /bin/bash as well since it gave me less headaches on multiple-architecture sites than trying to understand all subtle differences between their different default root shells PS-II, I can add toor by hand anytime; I'm no lawyer nor advocate of whatsoever; providing a "fake" toor account without standard /bin/bash in fact is reasonable to me