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Date:      Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:11:18 +0100
From:      Stijn Hoop <stijn@win.tue.nl>
To:        "Jacques A. Vidrine" <nectar@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/net/gaim Makefile distinfo pkg-plist
Message-ID:  <20031217211118.GB84538@pcwin002.win.tue.nl>
In-Reply-To: <20031217204655.GB31706@madman.celabo.org>
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 02:46:55PM -0600, Jacques A. Vidrine wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:23:05PM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:12:25AM -0800, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> > > marcus      2003/12/17 11:12:25 PST
> > >=20
> > >   FreeBSD ports repository
> > >=20
> > >   Modified files:
> > >     net/gaim             Makefile distinfo pkg-plist=20
> > >   Log:
> > >   Remove the OpenSSL plug-in.  The gaim authors do not feel OpenSSL is
> > >   a system library, and thus not part of the GPL exemption.
> >=20
> > That's weird on a system where OpenSSL is part of the base distribution=
...
> > (well crypto but it is indeed on the OS CD's and installed by default on
> > all types of installations).
> >=20
> > I would hope that the OpenSSL authors would give explicit permission to
> > use the library in GPL products, but I'm guessing that would be too much
> > to hope for...
>=20
> [Disclaimer:  I love gaim.]
>=20
> The OpenSSL authors have.

Well basically they say "if you add this exception to your GPL license
everything is fine". What I'd like to see is for them to remove the
advertising clause, or else issue a statement to the effect of "if you
use the GNU GPL v2 or later, the advertising clause is removed",
because of...

> It is the *Gaim* authors who have
> apparently gone looney.  They insist that it is a GPL violation to
> link Gaim with OpenSSL, since OpenSSL has an advertising clause and is
> thus incompatible with the GPL.

They do have some kind of a point -- it is incompatible on systems where
OpenSSL is not part of the base system (afaik Solaris and others). And beca=
use
of that, like you, I see a continuing trend towards...

> Of course, this benefits no one, except maybe the GNU TLS authors.
> (The thread I saw had a subtext of ``The goal here is to replace
> OpenSSL with GNU TLS.''  Or maybe I read in too much.)

Well I "see" the same happening with other projects. Which is a real shame
because OpenSSL is really the only choice for *BSD (because of licensing
reasons) and it would mean another diversion between Linux and BSD. That's =
why
I feel that the first option above would be better. Considering the history=
 of
this debate, I'm highly doubtful that something like that would happen
though...

Sorry that I had to pick this commit to chime in on, in hindsight it's not
really this that I wanted to comment on... Moving to -chat...

--Stijn

--=20
The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body.  This means
that only left handed people are in their right mind.

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