From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Thu Jan 16 14:34:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120AD1E98C8 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [194.1.144.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47z6CS1BWqz4546; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00GEYNrH014482 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:34:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=puchar.net; s=default; t=1579185265; bh=fUVaTv40DqVrjVNuEQP4rHiQotZIuwdGRKiUjM5uZZU=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject; b=cwL7vY4+L9ATReGXvuHsDhe2ERNGPnKIyAJKuWIOlXIor2fj2EuuiUcP0eEDJsqck kJZtCqfB1uTxjFB3EnaGtJqgjcFFFaKJtDY0MCaGHtzmk5XGb3XConjEkbHOAcwhTt 5oC9Mw/JYs+LCb/TAXnJoJU5aF4SxGGaaz55yUe4= Received: from localhost (puchar-wojtek@localhost) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 00GEYNkD014479; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:34:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:34:23 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Enji Cooper cc: Wojciech Puchar , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Domagoj Smol??i?? , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "jrm@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Core Team Secretary Subject: github and other one-per-world corposervers Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47z6CS1BWqz4546 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=puchar.net header.s=default header.b=cwL7vY4+; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wojtek@puchar.net designates 194.1.144.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wojtek@puchar.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.87)[-0.871,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[puchar.net:s=default]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[puchar.net]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[puchar.net:-]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.144.1.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; IP_SCORE(-2.70)[ip: (-7.14), ipnet: 194.1.144.0/24(-3.57), asn: 43476(-2.86), country: PL(0.07)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:43476, ipnet:194.1.144.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:34:29 -0000 > > I respect your choice not to use Github. I would like the same respect in return, but I don’t expect it. Give everything in your life to few selected corpos. Give all of your freedom and all your personality to them. For free! Most people already did this. Possibly they now feel lighter :) But can then be considered humans anymore? > > Let’s move on and stay on topic. Bruce Evans should be the focus, not a bikeshed on the virtues and demerits of github and backup methods. > > > > -Enji > > From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Thu Jan 16 14:47:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5671EA56B for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47z6VR4Jphz46HZ; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (v-critter.freebsd.dk [192.168.55.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 314231AF102; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00GElIPJ080777 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:47:18 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 00GElHOn080776; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:47:17 GMT (envelope-from phk) To: Wojciech Puchar cc: Enji Cooper , "jrm@freebsd.org" , Domagoj Smol??i?? , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , FreeBSD Core Team Secretary Subject: Re: github and other one-per-world corposervers In-reply-to: From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <80774.1579186036.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: <80775.1579186037@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47z6VR4Jphz46HZ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of phk@critter.freebsd.dk designates 130.225.244.222 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phk@critter.freebsd.dk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.05)[-0.052,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.dk]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; IP_SCORE(0.04)[ip: (0.07), ipnet: 130.225.0.0/16(0.07), asn: 1835(0.09), country: EU(-0.01)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[phk@phk.freebsd.dk,phk@critter.freebsd.dk]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1835, ipnet:130.225.0.0/16, country:EU]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[phk@phk.freebsd.dk,phk@critter.freebsd.dk]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:47:28 -0000 -------- In message , Wojciech Puch= ar writes: > Give everything in your life to few selected corpos. Give all of your = > freedom and all your personality to them. For free! Most people already = > did this. Possibly they now feel lighter :) > = > But can then be considered humans anymore? We used to have a principle here in the FreeBSD project: "We deliver tools, not policies". That applies to our mailing lists too. -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= .