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If I didn't have a spare 21" 4:3 CRT, I wouldn't even be >able to read this! I'm a Frankenstein museum of forgotten and >reanimated computer hardware... ;-) I've got two 19" 4:3 CRTs and a folding ruler at hand. One of the 19" CRTs has got a depth of 45 cm, but the other has got a depth of just 39.5 cm. The one with a depth of 39,5 cm is ready for dual-head usage on demand, space for this monitor is no big deal, while I don't have the room to position the monitor with a depth of 45 cm. However, the minimal window size of Ardour doesn't fit into those 19" 4:3 screens at a reasonable resolution and my 23.8" 16:9 LCD display is an Energy-efficiency class A+ device, typical power consumption 11 W, maximum power consumption 44 W. So space isn't a consideration, but power consumption is. Scripts are ready to manage all usages that are more or less reasonable for the scope of applications. $ grep name .config/fbpanel/lcd-realignment | grep monitor name = HDMI2 LCD monitor 1920x1080 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor off name = HDMI2 LCD monitor 1920x1080 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor 1152x864 90Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor 1920x1080 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor 1440x960 86Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor 1920x1080 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor 1368x768 90Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor 1920x1080 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor 1024x768 60Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor off 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor 1152x864 90Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor off 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor 1440x960 86Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor off 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor 1368x768 90Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor off 16:9 and VGA1 CRT monitor 1024x768 60Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor 1024x768 "4:3"and VGA1 CRT monitor 1024x768 60Hz name = HDMI2 LCD monitor 1024x768 "16:9"and VGA1 CRT monitor 1024x768 60Hz The scripts not only change resolutions and frequency, but also ensure desktop consistency. De facto I don't use dual-head on demand, but I could, since it works, just using one Intel graphics. Apropos Frankenstein, the CRTs I used for my PCs aren't from the graveyard, but actually all are from bulk trash, I never bought a CRT for a PC. I just pay for the Atari ST's monitor and for my PC's LCD display. Apart from resoldering self-desoldert components after a while, I always got usable monitors from bulk trash. Unfortunately public bulk trash is disestablished, because of great nuisances caused by people from foreign nations. No, the city administration and almost all citizens aren't xenophobe, the situation became really unacceptable.