From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 23 13:00:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D1916A4CE for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:00:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vs3.bgnett.no (vs3.bgnett.no [194.54.96.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF69443D46 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:00:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@bgnett.no) Received: from amidala.datadok.no.bgnett.no (amidala.datadok.no [194.54.103.98]) by vs3.bgnett.no (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBND075n094054 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:00:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from peter@bgnett.no) Sender: peter@amidala.datadok.no To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20041223112731.GA32750@ninja.terrabionic.com> From: peter@bgnett.no (Peter N. M. Hansteen) Date: 23 Dec 2004 14:00:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20041223112731.GA32750@ninja.terrabionic.com> Message-ID: <86y8fpxj8q.fsf@amidala.datadok.no> Lines: 67 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-bgnett.no-virusscanner: Found to be clean X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:00:16 -0000 jsha writes: > 1. Not only is the logo misleading (associating evil) but it also looks > like something 10-year-olds could produce in Paint Shop Pro ten years > ago. OpenBSD has an artistic touch to theirs, however I was very > disappointed when I heard that the new NetBSD logo was in effect. If you are unhappy with the logo or any other part of the material provided by the FreeBSD project, you are free to start making something you consider to be better. If you make something which is indeed superior in the views of the commiters and you make it available under an acceptable license, you might see it accepted into the project proper. However, before you start down that track, you should read up a bit on the project's and the mascot's history. > 2. If it wasn't for the interesting content and structure of the FreeBSD > website, it would be among the less beautiful. Yes, it serves its > purpose well by being simple and straight to the point. But a redesign > could offer just the same -- simplicity and accuracy -- without being > ugly. If you are unhappy with the web site or any other part of the material provided by the FreeBSD project, you are free to start making something you consider to be better. If you make something which is indeed superior in the views of the commiters and you make it available under an acceptable license, you might see it accepted into the project proper. > 3. The installation, even though it's text-only, could also be improved > by simple restructuring to act more cognitive and human-centered than > previously. Everything pertaining to the eye is important to improve. If you are unhappy with the installer or any other part of the material provided by the FreeBSD project, you are free to start making something you consider to be better. If you make something which is indeed superior in the views of the commiters and you make it available under an acceptable license, you might see it accepted into the project proper. > 4. There should be some kind of FreeBSD business card and letterhead > available to all that support this project. > > How do I know though, that if I manage to pull together a team to work > on this refined vision, that we won't be totally ignored even though we > produce the most magnificent result? Stickers and other material is available from various sources which may or may not to some degree or other be related to the project. I think similar suggestions in the past have met with responses indicating that business cards and letterhead would be somewhat low priority items to most developers. Then again, if you make something which is indeed superior in the views of the commiters and you make it available under an acceptable license, you might see it accepted into the project proper. One thing you almost will certainly not get is any kind of blanket pre-approval, regardless of assurances that whatever you end up producing will be great. That's the way open source works - if you make something good and make it available to others, fine, it will be put to the test. Then you have a starting point, something tangible to argue for. Until you get to that point, where you can say "I made this, and I'd like to contribute it to the project", not a lot is going to happen. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ "First, we kill all the spammers" The Usenet Bard, "Twice-forwarded tales"