From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 6 11:43:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A7216A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0583543D1F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:43:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from runaround.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00178; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:43:10 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20040106124028.03cd5f70@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:43:09 -0700 To: "Timothy Beyer" , From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <002a01c3d449$727cd2b0$650a0a0a@aeonrem> References: <002a01c3d449$727cd2b0$650a0a0a@aeonrem> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:43:19 -0000 At 04:37 AM 1/6/2004, Timothy Beyer wrote: >Brett Glass wrote: >>FreeBSD also keeps falling farther and farther behind Linux in the area of >>advocacy (and, hence, corporate adoption) > >Granted, this is true. However, you should be more specific when you >refer to advocacy. When I think of the term "advocacy," blind, relentless >loyalty comes to mind. That's not the accepted definition. Though there is, of couse, some of that. >Yes, you are correct that more people need to promote *BSD, the BSD license, >etc, but I think the term "advocate" implies the wrong emphasis. "Advocate" literally means, "To speak in favor of." In other words, promotion. But let's not get tied up in definitions here. >>Many of the developers actually have an antipathy toward advocacy, >>since they dislike answering newbie FAQs and don't want too manypeople to >>adopt the OS for fear that it'll overcrowd their "sandbox." > >Yes, thats quite true of FreeBSD developers. While these individuals are >typically rational, productive individuals, they most likely don't produce >the required volume of noise to give a name to FreeBSD. However, it is nice >to know that people exist who put money where their mouth is; I don't see >that in some other free software communities. Alas, the problem is that the FreeBSD developers do not attach appropriate value to advocacy. Contributions in the form of advocacy are virtually unvalued relative to contributions in the form of code. Linux is more successful than FreeBSD, in part, because it values both. --Brett