From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 7 06:28:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84877106564A for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baerks@t-online.de) Received: from mailout03.t-online.de (mailout03.t-online.de [194.25.134.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151168FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de (fwd03.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout03.t-online.de with smtp id 1No9yF-0002ml-37; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:28:11 +0100 Received: from amd.catfish.ddns.org (bRYNsgZZohSqrkS9ZSt3YqoN2j92VnP-gzyHTZGjiojV3mm4k3gWg9Pd-03UxVdgSz@[79.218.96.171]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1No9y9-2KI06S0; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:28:05 +0100 Received: from amd.catfish.ddns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amd.catfish.ddns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o276TnPk087168 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:29:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from monkel@amd.catfish.ddns.org) Received: (from monkel@localhost) by amd.catfish.ddns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o276TnBc087167 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:29:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from monkel) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:29:48 +0100 From: Sabine Baer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100307062948.GF9762@amd.catfish.ddns.org> References: <20100305120021.52F79106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <20100306044916.ce02523e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20100306080358.GE9762@amd.catfish.ddns.org> <20100306092541.1b0c279b.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20100306092541.1b0c279b.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-ID: bRYNsgZZohSqrkS9ZSt3YqoN2j92VnP-gzyHTZGjiojV3mm4k3gWg9Pd-03UxVdgSz X-TOI-MSGID: 22429117-2d80-491f-92fd-7ccc466a1468 Subject: Re: Flash viewer for FBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 06:28:12 -0000 On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:25:41AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:03:58 +0100, Sabine Baer wrote: > > Well, it is, indeed. Me I am very glad beeing able to do eg > > linux-opera -display :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmf4l4OxNw > > since I live in a Windows free zone at home. > > Well, there's always "youtube-dl -a" for that. Just for YT > I don't need "Flash". The "need", to illustrate that, is > often nothing more than a useless barrier built by people > who don't seem to know better. OK, I really didn't know youtube_dl (and clive someone mentioned in the thread). So, thanks a lot. I youtube-dl-ed my puff pastry examle. It took me 5 minutes and 11.69M space on diks but then I was able to look at it using mplayer. Fine. Same with clive. Fine too. [...] > If a "web designer" abuses (!) "Flash" to raise a barrier, > to make content unavailable, then I am surely not his target > audience. That's his decision, and I accept it. (By the way, > "barrier-free web" and thinking about how disabled people > can participate on informations is something that needs > an educated point of view and some intelligence to consider > it. Still, there are "web developers" who can't provide > this, and so can't their work.) Yes, that's all very true. I remember, when I had linux-fc4 installed and flashplugin7, I tried to look at a video on the site http://www.hr-online.de. The only result was "you haven't the latest version of Adobe's Flash Player". I wrote an email to them and got an answer (that's remarkable, not 'normal', I wrote 2 complaints about accessibility to given contact addresses at European community sites and didn't get any answer) but it wasn't helpful. Well, this site and http://news.bbc.co.uk as well are "barrier-free" so I can use them with lynx only and the videos are a surplus. But I am in the "target audience" of www.hr-online.de at least. BTW, neither clive nor youtube-dl (sic!) can download a video from those sites. Of course, it is the fault of the 'web designers' ignoring those who deny using 'quasi standard OS' and 'quasi standard applications'. But I'm tired of sitting in front of my monitor and thinking 'if they don't want me to look at their content, it's their misfortune'. Sabine -- Nun hat Client B ein "überaus schlaues Tool" laufen, welches augen- blicklich "Einbruch! Zonenalarm! Hülfäää!!!" schreit, was ziemlich blöde ist, ... (TOT in TOS)