From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Aug 5 22:27:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9D7BB003D; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:27:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "slim.berklix.org", Issuer "slim.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E11C1764; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:27:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FE9C82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.254.156.130]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u75MRDsq085194 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:27:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id u75MRAHS006682; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:27:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id u75MQGbj075918; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:26:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201608052226.u75MQGbj075918@fire.js.berklix.net> To: John-Mark Gurney cc: Adrian Chadd , sparc64@freebsd.org, Anna Wilcox , freebsd-arch , Sean Bruno , Michelle Sullivan , Marius Strobl , Jordan Hubbard Subject: Re: Sparc64 doesn't care about you, and you shouldn't care about Sparc64 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 05 Aug 2016 08:32:36 -0700." <20160805153236.GA16908@funkthat.com> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:26:16 +0200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 22:27:28 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: John-Mark Gurney > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 08:32:36 -0700 John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Adrian Chadd wrote this message on Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 07:29 -0800: > > > FreeBSD has an opportunity to fill the void in the secondhand Oracle > > > (Sun) Hardware market if people want to take it.... but I seriously > > > don't see why anyone would buy new Oracle boxes and shove FreeBSD on > > > them - unless their admins already manage FreeBSD on older + Intel hardware. > > > > > > > As always, someone has to write and debug the code. > > > > Users are only as good as the revenue to generate to cover > > development/debugging/deployment costs. > > > > So if you're a sparc64 user, how much would you be willing to pay for > > freebsd/sparc64 support and development? > > > > I'm all for keeping an architecture like sparc around, as long as > > there's active development and active users. MIPS has both. ARM has > > both. Powerpc has both. Sparc is missing some active developers, but > > it has plenty of FreeBSD users that speak up (and more users that only > > speak up privately.) So, if you want to see sparc64 support continue, > > this requires a grass roots effort to get more development happening - > > either users need to step up, or someone has to start contributing > > money. > > If you care, then give donations to the FreeBSD Foundation, and say > you want/need sparc64 and/or sun4v support... > > Or find a developer to pay for the work... FYI Global geograhic index: http://www.berklix.com/consultants/table.html > These are the straight > forward ways to keep sparc64 alive... > > -- > John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys Eng Consultant Munich Reply below, Prefix '> '. Plain text, No .doc, base64, HTML, quoted-printable. http://berklix.eu/brexit/#stolen_votes