From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 21 09:51:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D0C16A4CE for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:51:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA8C243D39 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:51:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 11308 invoked by uid 65534); 21 Oct 2004 09:51:11 -0000 Received: from pD95D8E30.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO lofi.dyndns.org) (217.93.142.48) by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 11:51:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #443188 Received: from kiste.my.domain (lofi@kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9L9okG7002511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:50:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:50:39 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <41767CF1.2020005@FreeBSD.org> <4176D21F.3060108@elischer.org> <200410202129.i9KLTmTK045310@apollo.backplane.com> In-Reply-To: <200410202129.i9KLTmTK045310@apollo.backplane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart11811301.99B3qKuaGm"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410211150.44533.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: current@freebsd.org cc: mitigator@gmail.com cc: arch@freebsd.org cc: Julian Elischer cc: Wilko Bulte cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: [Fwd: What do people think about not installing a stripped /kernel ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:51:14 -0000 --nextPart11811301.99B3qKuaGm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 20. October 2004 23:29, Matthew Dillon wrote: > In fact, we enable core dumps in our installs now and once we fix up > /var/crash's size (for new installs), even total newbies will be able to > provide useful cores to us. It's probably a good idea for dragonfly to try and get backtraces from kern= el=20 panics from as many joe-e.-adoppters as possible - new project, many=20 experiments, not much of real world deployment yet, etc, etc.=20 However, do we really need this on FreeBSD? Is the project in that bad a sh= ape=20 and/or do developers have so few time to spare these days for reproducing=20 crashes now? How many mails per day about kernel panics where people have n= o=20 clue about how to get a stack trace are coming in on the -current mailing=20 list daily? I don't see that many. Better invest the time and some addition= al=20 disk-space into (running) more regression testing tools. JMTC. =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --nextPart11811301.99B3qKuaGm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.9.11 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBd4Z0Xhc68WspdLARAgGVAKCdNytjvJ4ZDSCBK88DKePKhcBlNwCgjqLD ZmEbBsqq2tZUXJ0xaAzQvZI= =fhTy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart11811301.99B3qKuaGm--