Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:00:45 +0530 From: A JOSEPH KOSHY <koshy@india.hp.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> Cc: Sean Kelly <kelly@yarmouth>, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win32 (was:Re: Go SCSI! Big improvement...) Message-ID: <199602270430.AA068575446@fakir.india.hp.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:06:47 PST." <5097.825358007@time.cdrom.com>
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In message <5097.825358007@time.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes jkh> FWIW, my opinion of Tk (in pretty much all its various versions in jkh> whatever colors) is that it's the finest GUI development environment jkh> currently available for $0, period. I'm inclined to agree. jkh> [canvas] object is an amazing little hack just in and of itself, ... Its text widget is supposed to be fast and efficient too. jkh> pkg_* tools would definitely be my first clients for such a library, jkh> seeing as I've already been forced to do this myself just to bootstrap jkh> my own efforts. Excellent idea. Having a consistent UI for system admin tasks certainly adds a certain `polish' to the feel of the OS. This is also what reviewers in the trade rags pick on for some unfathomable reason when judging the quality of an OS :). A couple of points: * SCO had a product called Visual Tcl which they used for system admin scripts. From what I know, they had appropriate `back end' programs that would use the appropriate user interface (X, CUI) to interact with the user from the script. * On similar? lines Ousterhout was working on Tk5 which was to be more or less GUI technology independent (the plan was get Win/Motif/etc look and feel from the same Tk script). * Tk does have a GUI based (drag-n-drop) application builder. Its called XF; however I've not used it myself so I can't comment on its utility. Some opinions: I'm not a fan of the Windows look and feel and I don't care if the Windows is already on a gazillion PCs and is some kind of market leader; if that had been enough I would be running Microsoft not FreeBSD. I believe people prefer FreeBSD on the grounds of its excellence in technology. We already have better user interface technology than Win[0-9]*, I think we need to take this further. Using Win32 clones as a base may be a mistake IMO when we already have superior alternatives. Koshy
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