From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Mon Mar 11 08:17:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EF71536B45; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from vtr.rulingia.com (vtr.rulingia.com [IPv6:2001:19f0:5801:ebe:5400:1ff:fe53:30fd]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vtr.rulingia.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B65089659; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from server.rulingia.com (ppp59-167-167-3.static.internode.on.net [59.167.167.3]) by vtr.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x2B8GpUq001917 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:16:57 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.rulingia.com (localhost.rulingia.com [127.0.0.1]) by server.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x2B8Gjxm091028 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:16:45 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter@server.rulingia.com) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x2B8GiuN091027; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:16:44 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:16:44 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Warner Losh Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh , svn-src-head , svn-src-all , src-committers Subject: Re: svn commit: r344970 - head Message-ID: <20190311081644.GA87064@server.rulingia.com> References: <201903091717.x29HHjcc069618@repo.freebsd.org> <201903092000.x29K0Rf6002120@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <20190310150728.GA97029@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.1 (2018-12-01) X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:17:07 -0000 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-Mar-10 09:38:53 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 9:07 AM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 12:00:27PM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> > > New Revision: 344970 >> > > binaries). Failure to do so may leave you with a system that is >> > > hard to boot to recover. A GENERIC kernel will include suitable >> > > - compatibility options to run binaries from older branches. >> > > + compatibility options to run binaries from supported older >> branches. >> > >> > This is probably not the best adjective here, supported only goes back= to >> > 11.x, there are COMPAT options that work all the way back to 4. >> >> I concur, this "supported" word sounds like we barely give a fuck. Being >> able to run old (very old) binaries had always been one of our strengths, >> and we should not suggest that it's not anymore. >> > >It isn't saying we don't support older binaries. It sets the limits on what =2E.. >upgrading from. We can (and do) support additional binaries, and having the >clarification here doesn't change that. I think the changed wording implies that we no longer provide compatibity with unsupported branches. I agree that we might in future decide to remove COMPAT_FREEBSDx for unsupported x but until then, I'd prefer wording along the lines of: "A GENERIC kernel will include suitable compatibility options to run binaries from older branches. Note that the ability to run binaries from unsupported branches is not guaranteed." --=20 Peter Jeremy --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE7rKYbDBnHnTmXCJ+FqWXoOSiCzQFAlyGGWxfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEVF QjI5ODZDMzA2NzFFNzRFNjVDMjI3RTE2QTU5N0EwRTRBMjBCMzQACgkQFqWXoOSi CzQ9/Q//alwnrCnIBEGE8YP4bvmgS/f7toPlTJx5OStjtTK0aG1uoErmO8THKzV0 jH439z1yrfi9xBhCOZvU91dTYbCFu0P8Hgswp0V741dAfjx6C3kmlmbLYtcFreaL KJfwa0ogGAy27B8XBlPCZFuqT1K6JqLAQO56KxI6Jl+rakpx2DZ4gePT+RRAofwL eIwJkEo9SOoj/Hg2avw9019ixOlj6K+JQJSEqVRfvt7BHgGT2cGBy5IvQqkXB62Q 901QXl3odMGq6j30qxmx/034V9+cEWdUSEYhGaa/41MBN20aVXvPrn5sbjRgPbDF vnAdzQ/N7lRaT6uDyJDeZbdtdaRTy+Qj5OVM8wocwfxFX3GjBNNWFc92raD3eRow IHLeCt32JR7krE0qR52byBbb8/x9MJg6qt0ELcUV7JDkSeNGnn9Wj2e5llfH6mtg KNke/YpWz7p1U/xm3EjUbBwLNA4NMJHNadmRc0jtraQ2v9v+rNb0DMp7nv3DASYp 7bBHHkEVBUjKtwtnipXa6PparAM4G19X47c0CpZ6zkLezdNGXkvF4x+HWsJlngOG MoXeyo7EB/7diBMMK9JKo0pqzD2yb+hb9Tsl6WxXdLmJEClPJO9olya+QQMaAVP7 yTCpYzBhtsnFXPEnzh5LqKaw6kAb4jY0u+qMy9Yl6untCORDoFI= =nst/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf--