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Date:      Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:55:44 -0800
From:      "Riley J. McIntire" <rjmcintire@earthlink.net>
To:        FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org>, chris@northernbrewer.com
Subject:   RE: Hot swap IDE device?
Message-ID:  <NCBBLBILEPCHLFJAPIIPAEOIFFAA.rjmcintire@earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <3A9FDC18.3D1728A6@ecenet.com>

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Seems to me your kit makes IDE a "hot-swap" bus.  As long as you umount the
drive before you power it down and mount it after you power it up you should
be ok.

man fstab.  I would suggest an entry in /etc/fstab with the "noauto" option.
The drive won't be mounted at boot then.  eg:

/dev/ad1s1e              /some_mnt_dir     ufs  rw,noauto       2       2

You can then mount it with

mount /some_mnt_dir

and unmount with

umount /some_mnt_dir

hth,

Riley

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Porter
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:45 AM
> To: Artem Koutchine
> Cc: Christopher Farley; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Hot swap IDE device?
>
>
> Well, besides the implications of damaging the drive, which we'll assume
> is "fixed" because of the "kit",
> there's the fact that the drives are mounted.  I would think that with
> some hacking,
> you could get the drive to work like a cdrom.  With a cdrom you can
> unmount, change, and mount a new one.
> The only problem then, I would think, would be the BIOS freaking out
> because you just swapped
> a 500MB drive for a 7TB drive :)  I would have no clue how to go about
> this, my assumption is that you'd have
> to have a program that manipulate the BIOS, or a program to "bypass"
> anything the BIOS cares about.  I don't even know
> how much the BIOS has to do with the computer once it is fully booted,
> so these are just speculations.
> Michael Porter
> ocean@ecenet.com
>
> Artem Koutchine wrote:
>
> > This is a bad idea. IDE is not a plug-n-play (or to say
> > it right: HOT SWAP) bus.  You might disconnect
> > a drive more or less safely, but reconnecting a drive into
> > a working system can cause all kinds of troubles. And it
> > has nothing to do with FreeBSD. It is related to
> > electric schematic and interface standards. If you need
> > hot swap try: SCSI, USB, FireWire??? drives.
> > Regards,
> > Artem
> >
> > > Is there any way to get FreeBSD to add/remove an IDE device from a
> > > running system?
> > >
> > > I'm experimenting with a $15 removable IDE hard drive kit. I would
> > > ideally like to be able to power down the drive, remove it, insert
> > > a new drive (possibly a different manufacturer/capacity), power it
> > > up, and force FreeBSD to recognize the new IDE device.
> > > Is this possible?
> > > I assume I can swap identical drive models endlessly, and FreeBSD
> > would
> > > be none the wiser. However, two years down the road, it will be
> > impossible
> > > to replace a broken drive with the identical model.
>
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