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Date:      Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:32:52 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Mark Ovens <marko@uk.radan.com>
Cc:        flygt@sr.se, FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Timezone question
Message-ID:  <19990405113252.P2142@lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <19990405024530.E257@marder-1.localhost>; from Mark Ovens on Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 02:45:30AM %2B0100
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On Monday,  5 April 1999 at  2:45:30 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 10:40:28AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> On Monday,  5 April 1999 at  1:52:05 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 09:51:53AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
>>>> On Monday,  5 April 1999 at  1:04:17 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does FreeBSD update the RTC for Daylight Saving?
>>>>
>>>> You mean the clock?  No.
>>>>
>> What do you mean by "correct"?  My CMOS clock shows UTC, and that's
>> correct.  Since UTC and GMT are pretty much the same thing, you might
>> consider UTC to currently be "incorrect".  But I suppose you mean that
>> it's showing BST, right?
>>
>
> Yes
>
>>> Since you say FreeBSD doesn't change the CMOS clock
>>
>> I didn't say that.
>
> What did you mean by "No" in the first couple of lines quoted above?

FreeBSD, not adjkerntz :-)  I went on to discuss adjkerntz later.

>> adjkerntz *does* update the clock.  Take a look at
>> the man page: it's extensive.
>
> I've just looked at it. /etc/wall_cmos_clock exists so FreeBSD
> interprets the CMOS clock as local time. There is also the following
> entry in /etc/crontab:
>
> # time zone change adjustment for wall cmos clock,
> # does nothing, if you have UTC cmos clock.
> # See adjkerntz(8) for details.
> 1,31    0-4     *       *       *       root    /sbin/adjkerntz -a
>
> which I take to mean that my CMOS clock *was* adjusted by adjkerntz
> -a since I don't have a UTC CMOS clock (because of the existence
> of /etc/wall_cmos_clock). Is this correct?

Yes, I assume so.

>>> I don't have a problem, everything is working, I was just curious
>>> *why* it was working.
>>
>> Right.  I think this is thanks to adjkerntz.
>>
>>> BTW, In a previous post of yours in this thread you mentioned about
>>> Windows not knowing about the TZ in Northern Territories,
>>
>> That's the Northern Territory.  There's only one of them.
>
> Damn. I was right. A question in the pub quiz tonight was "Which
> is the only Australian state without an 's' in it's name?". I
> rembered your e-mail and answered "Northern Territory" but was told
> I was wrong, it was Victoria.

They're right.  Australia has 6 states and two territories.  A
territory isn't a state.

> That's why I pluralized it in my e-mail, I thought I'd remembered
> your e-mail incorrectly. I shall take the matter up with the
> question-master.

>> And yes, the double entendre was intentional.  That was the whole
>> point.  I'm off to the AUUGwet conference in Darwin NT next week, and
>> I'm wondering how to bring the matter to their attention.
>
> Turn up an hour late (or early?) for the conference and tell them
> their clocks are wrong, because Windows says so :-)

It would probably be a convincing argument.

Greg
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