From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 19 15:46:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA24932 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA24927 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA00912; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:45:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.4/8.6.9) id AAA16121; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:43:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:43:24 +0100 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: keithl@wakko.gil.net (Keith Leonard) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cursing the sky (was: Commerical applications ...) References: <199701192045.NAA14114@phaeton.artisoft.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55-PL10 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Keith Leonard on Jan 19, 1997 17:07:02 -0500 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Keith Leonard wrote: > One area that MS was very insightful (and Unix is not - at least for > commercial market - average joe) is in giving the average user a usable > interface at startup. I doubt this is the main problem. (It's merely that a lot of companies once believed they could recapitalize from the low PC market shares by selling ``UNIX'' software overpriced.) Anyway: > 2meg video ram ... yet X startx up (and all the config files) in this > super lagre desktop mode. Nah. X starts up with a cross-weave background and nothing on it. Everything else is already at the mercy of your window manager. > Freebsd should have installation options for a straight forward simple 'I > got a 14" vga monitor with a keyboard and mouse' setup. No argument. Where can i grab your all-singing all-dancing 14" monitor (ah, no, the IEEE went metric last year, finally!, so make this 35 cm) config files? :-) OTOH, we do already know (by hard experience) that the `desktop market' is dead for Unix. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)