From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 16 05:06:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA06082 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 05:06:20 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA06077 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 05:05:51 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA28652 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:51:02 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Mon, 16 Oct 95 15:51:02 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.demos.ru (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA05471; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:46:56 +0300 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de, kaleb@x.org References: <413.813840749@critter.tfs.com> In-Reply-To: <413.813840749@critter.tfs.com>; from Poul-Henning Kamp at Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:52:29 +0100 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:46:56 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.40 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: A couple problems in FreeBSD 2.1.0-950922-SNAP Lines: 42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1879 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <413.813840749@critter.tfs.com> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >> In message <214.813831228@critter.tfs.com> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >> >> >> >Yes, bloat is added even when ENABLE_STARTUP_LOCALE isn't set. Bloat is >> >> >added even when no ctype function is called (this is normal for most >> >> >programs in /bin and /sbin - grep shows "ctype.h" in only 25 out of 80 >> >> >programs in /usr/src/[s]bin. >> >> >> >> It isn't accurate results. Many libc functions calls ctype >> >> indirecly, i.e. strtol, atoi, etc. You additionly need >> >> to grep ctype through libc and then grep function you got >> >> through bin/sbin. I suspect that 100% of programs use ctype >> >> for accurate results. >> >> >Andrey, you have to realize that Bruce reported precise numbers, whereas >> >you just "suspect". Please prove you point, and provide hard numbers. >> >> Well, here more accurate results. >> >> I build/install special crt0.o version which not calls reduced_setlocale() >> bloat. >> Then I rebuild bin/sbin. Then I use following csh script to find ones >> which not use ctype at all: >Did you rebuild static or dynamic ? I will only belive numbers from a >static rebuild... I rebuild as default, i.e. static. You can repeat it by yourself, just comment out two lines into crt0.c and use my script after rebuild. Why you even assume that I can rebuild them as dynamic? Dynamic variant don't cause such bloat, so nobody count it. BTW, I don't give any 'numbers' here, I only prove that all our static programs _use_ ctype, so they needs _right_ ctype, i.e. my hack. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849