From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 1 16:01:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31B0D51 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:01:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zeising@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (mail.lysator.liu.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:17:f0a0::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A239261A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108584001C for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05E524001B; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:01:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 Received: from mx.daemonic.se (mx.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 508534001A; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscanner.daemonic.se (mailscanner.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::6]) by mx.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3cq4w80KSzz8jLB; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:01:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daemonic.se Received: from mx.daemonic.se ([IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::3]) (using TLS with cipher CAMELLIA256-SHA) by mailscanner.daemonic.se (mailscanner.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::6]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTPS id iPKaDiMLm-Tn; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:01:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.daemonic.se (mail.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::4]) by mx.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3cq4w555r6z8jL9; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:01:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vivi.daemonic.se (vivi.daemonic.se [10.32.0.4]) by mail.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3cq4w52SYCz9D6J; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:01:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <524AF1B5.4090907@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 18:00:53 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Oberman Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] Fwd: svn commit: r328711 - in head: . Mk astro/viking cad/pdnmesh cad/repsnapper deskutils/pinot devel/xorg-macros emulators/catapult emulators/qemu-devel emulators/tme games/klavaro games/sea-defender ... References: <201309291701.r8TH1gNv021817@svn.freebsd.org> <5248609D.7030105@freebsd.org> <5249F831.6050702@netfence.it> <524A8953.7080802@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:01:18 -0000 On 10/01/13 17:01, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Niclas Zeising wrote: > >> On 10/01/13 00:16, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >>> On 09/29/13 19:17, Niclas Zeising wrote: >>>> HEADS UP! >>>> >>>> I just committed an update to the MESA graphics stack (libGL, dri) and >>>> various other xorg ports. This mostly relates to people running with >>>> WITH_NEW_XORG=, but be sure to check UPDATING before updating. >>>> If you have any qeustions, don't hesitate to contact me or send a mail >>>> to the freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org mailing list. >>>> Regards! >>>> >>> >>> Great work! >>> >>> However, I think a little more info would be welcome by a lot of people. >>> >>> E.g. >>> In my case I have a Radeon card on 9.1... so: >>> _ I don't have KMS, right? >> >> No, you don't. You have to update to the latest 10-CURRENT for that. >> >>> _ up to now WITH_NEW_XORG has prevented 3D hardware acceleration from >>> working; is it still so with this update? >> >> I think so. Your best bet is to update to CURRENT. 10.0 isn't that far >> off, and we are in a code freeze, so 10 is reasonably stable. >> >>> _ any caveat? >> >> None known, just read UPDATING. >> Regards! >> > > Not to be contrary, but I think this is an exceptionally bad time to switch > to current if you want stability. Maybe in another week, but not quite yet. > When code freeze is upon us, there are LOTS of commits of WIP, and things > tend to break rather badly for a few days. These issues are normally fixed > fairly quickly, but it takes a little time and, from the issues raised in > mail to current@, things are still a bit rough. > > I really don't want to discourage the use of 10.0 as more use is far better > for a solid release, but running current can be a bit more risky, and > running it right after freeze is especially so. (So is running it right > after current is re-opened after release.) I'd recommend waiting until > around 10/10. (I like this date as it is the same whether your locality > puts month or day first). By then current should be pretty stable. > Just for the record, I've never really had any major trouble with CURRENT, and run it regularly on my desktop and laptop. Regards! -- Niclas Zeising