Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:34:39 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor <brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Cc: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com>, Adam Turoff <aturoff@isinet.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd vs. linux and NT chart Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9903021622530.19678-100000@peloton.physics.montana.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990302161355.00ad66b0@localhost>
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Hi, > And you know why so few people use those "upgrade kits?" It's because > they're buried in an obscure portion of the Web site with precious few > pointers to them. The software should take the user to the right place > and/or install them as a dependency. Let's see... go to http://www.freebsd.org/ports/. Near the top in the text it says, and I quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ports listed on these web pages are continually being updated. Consequently, you may need to update a few files on your FreeBSD system to make use of ports developed after your version of FreeBSD was released. Please install one of the following depending on the release you are running. Also, if you are running FreeBSD-stable or FreeBSD-current that is more than a few days old, you are recommended to install an appropriate upgrade kit as well; the ports system is changing very fast at times. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now if you use CVSup to follow the ports tree you will get the correct *.mk files. You won't if you grab individual ports. And having the upgrade kit does nothing to make ports difficult to compile for a.out easier now that we've switched to ELF. > As for the switch to ELF: yes, it makes maintaining ports a little > trickier, but if we want to keep loyal users it is inappropriate to > make this THEIR problem just because they are (wisely) being > conservative about upgrading to a very different version. I won't argue what the core team has decided. The move to ELF is required if you want to keep up w/ the Linux world which you desperately seem to want. Go read the archives to find out why. That said I see you maintain no ports at all (http://www.freebsd.org/~fenner/portsurvey/maintainers.html) and yet you think it's possible to keep up 2 very different kinds of ports trees - one for a.out and one for ELF STABLE. It's hard enough maintaining it for one tree as it is - don't think so? Go check the number of open PRs. As more and more ports get added (2100 now) that workload increases. We're a volunteer effort and as Greg Sutter said in a different email, sacrifices have to be made to get the best overall quality. To keep the ports tree as good as it is requires that we not keep a 2.2.* up to date. *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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