From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 22 19:41:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EB016A421; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:41:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mv.twc.weather.com (mv.twc.weather.com [65.212.71.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A7543D48; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:41:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.50.40.201] (Not Verified[65.202.103.25]) by mv.twc.weather.com with NetIQ MailMarshal (v6, 0, 3, 8) id ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:55:16 -0400 From: John Baldwin To: Wilko Bulte Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:35:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200507201959.j6KJxkJl000803@repoman.freebsd.org> <200507211726.14034.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20050721220856.GA12836@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20050721220856.GA12836@freebie.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507221335.13286.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, Marcel Moolenaar , "Liam J. Foy" , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , Peter Grehan Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/tools/tools/tinderbox/etc current.rc head.rc update_current.rc update_head.rc X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:41:14 -0000 On Thursday 21 July 2005 06:08 pm, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:26:11PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote.. > > > On Thursday 21 July 2005 04:39 pm, Liam J. Foy wrote: > > > On Thu(21)/Jul/05 - , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > > > "Liam J. Foy" writes: > > > > > On Thu(21)/Jul/05 - , Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > > Please add ia64 back for releng_6 and add powerpc and ia64 back > > > > > > for head. The least. > > > > > > > > > > I agree. I'd like to see them added back please. > > > > > > > > You don't have a vote. Neither does Marcel. > > > > > > Who do you think you are DES? Seriously, am sure you think you're above > > > everyone else. You need to dumb the attitude. > > > > It would be helpful to realize that DES does not have an infinite amount > > of hardware and bandwidth, etc. at his disposal. The tinderbox scripts > > are in CVS, and you are free to setup any number of tinderboxes that you > > wish to have on your _own_ hardware. In other words, if we want to keep > > doing powerpc and ia64 tinderboxes (which I think would certainly be > > desirable) we need to find someone with some hardware to run it on. > > > > > > In other words again: instead of mouthing off at DES like some two year > > old when his mommy takes away the toy he was borrowing from someone else > > so she can give it back to the original owner, go setup a machine and run > > the powerpc and ia64 tinderbox on it yourself sending out the e-mails to > > the appropriate lists, etc. This is a community project, and when the > > load for a specific task gets too high for one person/machine to handle, > > we ought to be chipping into help share the load instead of beating up on > > the person who's been doing it all by themselves up until now. > > > > > Public/commiter relations go a long way. If there are not enough resources > available of some sort the obvious cause of action would be to ask for > resources. Not to just axe things with a commit message that inevitably > leads to this kind of silly debate. > > True enough, but unfortunately some folks don't always act like fully mature adults and things will go a lot smoother if people will get some thicker skin and try to solve the real problems instead of yelling at each other. Granted, I yelled, but in tags to make it clear at least. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org