From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 19 19:43:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: small@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A70216A41F for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:43:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from igor@doom.homeunix.org) Received: from voodoo.oberon.net (voodoo.oberon.net [212.118.165.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB89443D46 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:43:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from igor@doom.homeunix.org) Received: from dialup84114-183.ip.peterstar.net ([84.204.114.183] helo=doom.homeunix.org) by voodoo.oberon.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1DuxzI-000O2L-OI for small@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:42:46 +0200 Received: from doom.homeunix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by doom.homeunix.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6JJfM5p012277; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:41:24 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from igor@doom.homeunix.org) Received: (from igor@localhost) by doom.homeunix.org (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j6JJfLOc012276; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:41:21 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from igor) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:40:57 +0400 From: Igor Pokrovsky To: Patrick Tracanelli Message-ID: <20050719194057.GB10393@doom.homeunix.org> References: <42DBF250.1060405@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20050719174500.GA1594@doom.homeunix.org> <42DD51F7.40503@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42DD51F7.40503@freebsdbrasil.com.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Igor Pokrovsky , small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TinyBSD Call For Testers X-BeenThere: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:43:23 -0000 On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 04:18:15PM -0300, Patrick Tracanelli wrote: > Igor Pokrovsky wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 03:17:52PM -0300, Jean Milanez Melo wrote: > > > >>Hello gentlemen, > >> > >>In the last saturday a new port has been added under sysutils/ category, > >>ports/sysutils/tinybsd. TinyBSD is a tool which was meant to allow an > >>easy way to build embedded systems based on FreeBSD. It is based on > >>userland copying, library dependencies check/copy and kernel build. > > > > > >What's wrong with PicoBSD? > > > >-ip > > > > PicoBSD is architectural different. > > It is a single crunched program which once loaded is kept always in > memory, while live systems such as TinyBSD, nanobsd, and usually live > CDs load to memory what it needs from the main storage device (cf card, > pendrive, cd, whatever). So it is different at all. After that, PicoBSD > worked very fine before the last releases on RELENG_4, while at RELENG_5 > it became quite hard to build without problems. I personally enjoy > PicoBSD a lot, but it is not an available choice nowadays, 'cos of > building issues. On the other hand, Luigi has recently made a number of > changes which puts PicoBSD back into "yes, it builds" state, which is > great! But in RELENG_5 it stills not accomplishing its goal stated in > picobsd(8), which is: > > picobsd -- floppy disk based FreeBSD system > > ..."try to keep them functional and fitting in the 1.44MB floppy despite > the unavoidable increases in the size of the kernel and its applications" > > In fact fs.picobsd has ~ 1.4MB, plus the kernel, which could take it to > ~3MB total size. Maybe in a 2.8 floppy it would fit today, but it is > somehow different from what used to be in RELENG_4. > > Anyway, there is nothing wrong w/ PicoBSD. It is just different. Thanks for answering a stupid question. I simply somehow missed the goal of TinyBSD. Just had an association with PicoBSD. As I'm conservative enough to use PicoBSD on RELENG_4, I never tried it on RELENG_5. But how about building PicoBSD on RELENG_5 and burn acquired image on a CD? With CD there should be no space problem. Of cause in that case it's better to use TinyBSD, Live CD or whatever. But just curious about PicoBSD thing. -ip -- Consumer assistance doesn't.