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[75.128.101.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i3sm4079483igi.3.2014.02.11.19.25.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:25:25 -0800 (PST) References: <1063008459.20140111160525@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52D14140.3090003@gibfest.dk> <20140111.143644.41639035.sthaug@nethelp.no> <52D15185.50802@gibfest.dk> <0c45208d87526a80f559ac09e28163c2.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <0c45208d87526a80f559ac09e28163c2.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-61706D92-1F83-4F14-826F-32D2255A0885; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B554a) From: Jason Hellenthal Subject: Re: Merge ping+ping6 and traceroue+traceroute6 to single utilities? Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:25:22 -0500 To: Chris H X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: Thomas Steen Rasmussen , "lev@freebsd.org" , "sthaug@nethelp.no" , "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 03:25:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-61706D92-1F83-4F14-826F-32D2255A0885 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haha careful 64 might be considered 64bit protocol support ;-) and someone m= ight confuse 46 as a DHCP option rfc2132 --=20 Jason Hellenthal Voice: 95.30.17.6/616 JJH48-ARIN On Feb 11, 2014, at 16:55, "Chris H" wrote: >> If you don't mind me saying... That is utter BS without the D. >>=20 >> Doing it right and merging these two would leave for more constructive us= e. >> Nobody is saying that it really needs to perform v6 & v4 without >> interaction in the form of the user adding a switch and there is no reaso= n >> that by default it could not just default to using 4 only leaving room fo= r >> a later point to just switch its default to v6 when that time comes and >> calls for it. >>=20 >> Secondly just because they would be merged does not mean there won't or >> can't be a convention of detecting how the program was called. Symlink pi= ng >> to ping6 for interchangeability sake and the same could be done whenever >> the default for ping would change to v6 by Symlinking ping to ping4. >>=20 >> And there is no reason why ping could not just do both and you as the >> operator pick up the tab and just learn to call ping4 when you need to. >>=20 >> Quite frankly I am tired of seeing the old pessimism and paradigms that >> projects keep falling into over silly little subtle changes. >>=20 >> ping localhost ("grab any name, you just want to know its alive") >> ping 127.0.0.1 ("you know you are pinging v4 without a doubt") >> ping ::1 ("you also know you are pinging v6 without a doubt") >>=20 >> ping -4 localhost ("you know you are getting v4 without a doubt") >> ping -6 localhost ("you know you are getting v6 without a doubt") >>=20 >> ping -4 ::1 ("must be retarded in some way") >>=20 >> There is no reason whatsoever that these utilities cannot be combined. An= d >> there is one very valid reason they should be. >>=20 >> Maybe someone should call fyodor and ask him to make a nmap6 and a nping6= >> to follow convention while the rest of the platforms work on combining. >=20 > Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. The answer seems so simpl= e; > Unify it, then call it ping64. > See, now everyone gets what they want. :) > Oh, or should that be ping46? > ... >=20 > --Chris >=20 >>=20 >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Thomas Steen Rasmussen >> wrote: >>=20 >>>> On 11-01-2014 14:36, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Normal network enabled utilities like telnet or ftp or nc support >>>>> both because when using those you usually don't care about the >>>>> address family used, you just want to connect. This is a significant >>>>> difference from using ping or traceroute where you almost always >>>>> want a specific address family, depending on what you are testing. >>>> I strongly disagree with the "almost always want a specific address >>>> family". I normally want to verify that the IP at the other end is >>>> alive, or get some idea of how to get there. If I want a specific >>>> address family I'm very happy to use -4 / -6 options. >>>=20 >>> The IP at the other end will, by definition, always be either v4 or v6, >>> so yes, you do want a specific address family - namely the family your >>> IP belongs to. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Best regards, >>>=20 >>> Thomas Steen Rasmussen >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 --Apple-Mail-61706D92-1F83-4F14-826F-32D2255A0885 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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