Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:25:22 -0500 From: Jason Hellenthal <jhellenthal@dataix.net> To: Chris H <bsd-lists@1command.com> Cc: Thomas Steen Rasmussen <thomas@gibfest.dk>, "lev@freebsd.org" <lev@freebsd.org>, "sthaug@nethelp.no" <sthaug@nethelp.no>, "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" <net@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Merge ping+ping6 and traceroue+traceroute6 to single utilities? Message-ID: <EA9CBB60-05B6-4A7A-A904-7FCC791E8FB8@dataix.net> In-Reply-To: <0c45208d87526a80f559ac09e28163c2.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> References: <1063008459.20140111160525@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52D14140.3090003@gibfest.dk> <20140111.143644.41639035.sthaug@nethelp.no> <52D15185.50802@gibfest.dk> <CAO2cuEM2qVu2PGOJ2WfFz-aiQKw8T6drGz4oxLkUAEnXptK8TQ@mail.gmail.com> <0c45208d87526a80f559ac09e28163c2.authenticated@ultimatedns.net>
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Haha careful 64 might be considered 64bit protocol support ;-) and someone m=
ight confuse 46 as a DHCP option rfc2132
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Jason Hellenthal
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JJH48-ARIN
On Feb 11, 2014, at 16:55, "Chris H" <bsd-lists@1command.com> wrote:
>> If you don't mind me saying... That is utter BS without the D.
>>=20
>> Doing it right and merging these two would leave for more constructive us=
e.
>> Nobody is saying that it really needs to perform v6 & v4 without
>> interaction in the form of the user adding a switch and there is no reaso=
n
>> that by default it could not just default to using 4 only leaving room fo=
r
>> a later point to just switch its default to v6 when that time comes and
>> calls for it.
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>> Secondly just because they would be merged does not mean there won't or
>> can't be a convention of detecting how the program was called. Symlink pi=
ng
>> to ping6 for interchangeability sake and the same could be done whenever
>> the default for ping would change to v6 by Symlinking ping to ping4.
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>> And there is no reason why ping could not just do both and you as the
>> operator pick up the tab and just learn to call ping4 when you need to.
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>> Quite frankly I am tired of seeing the old pessimism and paradigms that
>> projects keep falling into over silly little subtle changes.
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>> ping localhost ("grab any name, you just want to know its alive")
>> ping 127.0.0.1 ("you know you are pinging v4 without a doubt")
>> ping ::1 ("you also know you are pinging v6 without a doubt")
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>> ping -4 localhost ("you know you are getting v4 without a doubt")
>> ping -6 localhost ("you know you are getting v6 without a doubt")
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>> ping -4 ::1 ("must be retarded in some way")
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>> There is no reason whatsoever that these utilities cannot be combined. An=
d
>> there is one very valid reason they should be.
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>> Maybe someone should call fyodor and ask him to make a nmap6 and a nping6=
>> to follow convention while the rest of the platforms work on combining.
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> Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. The answer seems so simpl=
e;
> Unify it, then call it ping64.
> See, now everyone gets what they want. :)
> Oh, or should that be ping46?
> ...
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> --Chris
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>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Thomas Steen Rasmussen
>> <thomas@gibfest.dk>wrote:
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>>>> On 11-01-2014 14:36, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Normal network enabled utilities like telnet or ftp or nc support
>>>>> both because when using those you usually don't care about the
>>>>> address family used, you just want to connect. This is a significant
>>>>> difference from using ping or traceroute where you almost always
>>>>> want a specific address family, depending on what you are testing.
>>>> I strongly disagree with the "almost always want a specific address
>>>> family". I normally want to verify that the IP at the other end is
>>>> alive, or get some idea of how to get there. If I want a specific
>>>> address family I'm very happy to use -4 / -6 options.
>>>=20
>>> The IP at the other end will, by definition, always be either v4 or v6,
>>> so yes, you do want a specific address family - namely the family your
>>> IP belongs to.
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>>>=20
>>> Best regards,
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>>> Thomas Steen Rasmussen
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