From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 21:29:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD50866F2D7 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:29:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.raver@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x334.google.com (mail-ot1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNKmd6QJ1z3mBs for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:29:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.raver@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x334.google.com with SMTP id f12-20020a056830204cb029048bcf4c6bd9so16556230otp.8 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=igfn5MiefpUTxK9irxe4jiHqE3uyDqDcRGdcKX8aK4E=; b=T00LvK59dOWz4tgTlruj4q4aXY3NUr+I2sl0aGGPBWUS56jxzxXPryR1m/aJhpwzXe a4Dz0NTtTyGiXTGUurVEdu95RGFpgpdiCu2Q4GllWCPB8VsLVJd+bYHTTa4j4bHveVOv SpACG2OeUGlwkqvmzBiJ6buNfw9rnMpFOej+qtkBJXJJHGJNhvmwzm+hFF4AmGCBGNxs juq8rHIKJaTof66xQbrevUpOBL/gaG28yObYiS6KV4ufvQAN+/iG/D3dUxLn6Pcf3p5Z MxjTujz95YT2+N/1OA/Bz1MRBa4hQUAuuZ5Vc4Ccpcr+7G89yqusYR6OGe1F9xOOVwSl 1ZiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=igfn5MiefpUTxK9irxe4jiHqE3uyDqDcRGdcKX8aK4E=; b=tJfRUd9Hgz911ODHUQ6LaKUXYYMJz+MMU0PbtIuqCI/+QqfqqeUPECKtsGZ2R+HJm2 cHDWvk6C5U26wjd831bb2iA0qaNqv87rLjNPtFJKJyP4/+x0wfQDh5hQDpTnF0Ku09TA qK9Xqq6mW+dsmkczIoIBHXPeaht4ryAIgZgjmqtrHZ7N3fXLxf/aG3xlqaXrQ/tZ0W83 1q48LJHuJBqtiHY6HL+cwFSVGaJct62uAZm2+v+EQuvTYtEfZtBaGDK0gxsnPzzUCP7Q fczI06RpAHSWsn0dx44jD7XyzloQ9Z2NMKUzZgqOEm/F1nBiLKaRmY9bUonazegCPVwx cEgA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Q7gKR3LJRvpnYY8BVxsXRg9PtowdlVGzaHDu0pG0LkHS+LHUK WvShAaDbpRinfMos9AKtZOZIIbN9pa/D3sKradE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzihFBclk8J8DiSsmabqDv66eiTESZBEMbHWia+cxZPvMbz01lHdes8Ahw4ygfm8FmtC2R5MSvl7Z4VgsMzj34= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:2907:: with SMTP id d7mr11013343otb.151.1626038992663; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:29:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> <20210711210017.GB2344017@admin02.HOFF.local> In-Reply-To: <20210711210017.GB2344017@admin02.HOFF.local> From: David Raver Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:29:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Goodbye To: David Raver , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNKmd6QJ1z3mBs X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=T00LvK59; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davidraver@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::334 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davidraver@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.80 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.80)[-0.795]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::334:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::334:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::334:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:05:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:29:54 -0000 On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 11:00 PM Simon Hoffmann wrote: > One last mail and I promise to never bother you again. > > Did you just one day fall out of bed and knew how to use Linux perfectly? > Nope. It was like that: 1. The installation went perfectly. Meaning: after the installation the desktop showed up. I would've settled for shell and one command, say "install desktop", even if it didn't. Show up in the first try, that is. I wouldn't have settled for an equivalent of typing what should've been put into a shell script anyhow. 2. I was able to start using it, learning little by little without reading books about it. > Are you able to use all different Linuxes to the same degree and know > everything > No, not to the same degree. But I'm pretty sure the procedure would've been pretty similar to the one I described above. > there is to know? So are you a master/doctorate in Debian, Suse, RHEL, > Fedora, ... to > use your words? > Not by a long shot. I never claimed that. I'm merely a lowly developper, like I also described. But... I'm used to a certain set of tools and behaviours. > Oh, and you also spoke about Windows. So I guess you are also a Microsoft > MVP? > No. But somewhat similar tools I mentioned above are available on Windows also. So I don't complain too much. I'll also concede that most of the ifdefs in my project are due to Windows functionality. But I managed that also. > Because you cannot tell me that a Linux install, whatever the distro, has > everything > set up exactly the way you want it to be out of the box and automatically= . > I never claimed that. Moreover, if you're still prepared to listen... I'm pretty sure that if I had a desktop (preferably KDE) set up on any of the BSDs, I most probably wouldn't even had known the difference between that and my current Linux. Because that was my aim in the first place: merely verify that my project builds and runs on BSD. Moreover, I'm pretty sure that someday I'll do it. Successfully. I just have to cool down a little and find a distribution that meets my needs. D. > > > > > --- > > Simon > > > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 3:17 PM Simon Hoffmann < > freebsd@simonhoffmann.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Which commands did you use? > > > > > > > Can't remember anymore. They went out of my head along with the steam > > blowing out of my ears. > > > > > > > All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perfo= rm > > > the update on > > > first try without any problems. > > > > > > > Lucky you. > > > > > > > Time: 5 min. > > > > > > > You must be the one with the doctorate of General (or is it Special?) > > BSDvity Theory then. > > > > > > > su says sorry if your user is not in wheel. > > > > > > Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode? > > > > > > > Sounds like your hearing must be impeccable. > > > > > > > > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 > while > > > > > > Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook > that > > > answers > > > pretty much every question? > > > > > > > I am, yes. I just don't like the idea that in order to do some little > thing > > one must read it in its entirety. > > > > > > > Please take a look at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > > > > > > > No thanks. Also, your hearing must be somewhat less than perfect in thi= s > > case. Let me repeat myself (for the tenth time): reading extensive > > handbooks to solve something that should've been solved automatically i= s > > not my favourite thing in the world. > > > > > > > > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a > computer. > > > > > > No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux. > > > > > > > OK, for the eleventh time: you know the drill by now > > > > > > > > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing = a > GUI > > > > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > > > > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life > expectancy > > > in > > > > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > > > > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > > > > > > Again, the Handbook is your best friend. > > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ > > > > > > > Note to self: man, some people choose to turn the blind eye even if you > > practically stick it to them. > > > > > > > You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and > > > pre-compiled binaries > > > that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and > build > > > yourself, to > > > fulfill all your needs. Such wow! > > > > > > In a nutshell: > > > > > > pkg install xorg > > > pw groupmod video -m > > > pkg install urwfonts > > > pkg install x11/sddm > > > echo dbus_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > > > echo proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >> /etc/fstab > > > echo sddm_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > > > > > > > Nope, that's not what the handbook says. It's definitely more than seve= n. > > Quite a bit more. Moreover, if one makes one little spelling mix-stake, > > that could be your excuse for why the whole thing failed. I'm not into > > that. It has to be failsafe. > > > > > > > I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you ca= n > > > basically > > > copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can > > > handle a few > > > keystrokes. > > > > > > > Mine handles "del BSD" (8 chars, incl. enter) pretty well. > > > > > > > Took me about 5 minutes aswell. > > > > > > > Took me about two seconds. Incl. handling the "Are you sure?" question. > > > > > > > You know, you could always ask politely to get help... > > > > > > > As polite as possible: HELP! > > Then again, it would be useless now. The del I mentioned above took car= e > of > > that. > > > > > > > Again, the Handbook is your friend. > > > > > > > Oh, man, I will not even bother anymore. > > > > D. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > > > Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe > Simon Hoffmann >