From owner-freebsd-security Fri Apr 17 16:04:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28930 for freebsd-security-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:04:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA28823 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:04:02 GMT (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA19755; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:03:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Handy To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , Matthew Hunt , dima@best.net, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <14147.892853744@time.cdrom.com> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >[Can we get this thread the ^&%@!$#!! out of -stable now please?] > >> Yep, and I maintain that for 99% of us, this was a *HUGE* step backwards. > >What would you have done instead? [Brian checks we're out of -stable, though this rant isn't a -security topic] Nothing? For ISP's and people running servers, I'm sure it's great! For the Rest of Us, the unwashed masses, the people who just buy a PC and try to do data analysis and write theses and run netscape and compile big programs, *all* this ever does is jam up the works. How many emails have you seen on the lists where somebody said "I can't get this to work, waaaah" and LOTS of times the answer is "Oh, you have to relax the limits in login.conf for that to work!"????? Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe security" in the body of the message