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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.15.15:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[84.160.55.119:received]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:09:40 -0000 Am 24.03.21 um 14:03 schrieb Rene Ladan: > Hi, > > below is an outline continuing the Python 2.7 cleanup: > > - No usage of lang/tauthon by the framework or any port, no excuses. > - lang/tauthon will be removed on 2021-06-23 as noticed in the port > itself, > =C2=A0 no excuses. Tauthon is not guaranteed to be compatible with any = official > =C2=A0 Python version so keeping it would just unnecessarily complicate= things. > - mail/mailman is being replaced by clusteradm@=C2=A0 with mlmmj. You c= an use > =C2=A0 `pkg lock` to stick with it after removal, if there is no other = way. > - you are of course free to provide your own version of Python 2.7, > Tauthon > =C2=A0 and any application using those languages in your local setup, b= y using > =C2=A0 overlays for example. Rene, I am sorry to say that this is appalling * Why do you badmouth Tauthon as "not guaranteed to be compatible..." if that is its very design goal? =C2=A0 - "Tauthon is a backwards-compatible fork of the Python 2.7.18 interpreter with new syntax, builtins, and libraries backported from Python 3.x. Python code and C-extensions targeting Python 2.7 or below are expected to run unmodified on Tauthon and produce the same output." * What do you mean that "Tauthon [...] would unnecessarily complicate things"? What things specifically, and how? It might be a migration path to a maintained interpreter (we need nothing more, no fancy developments, to keep other ports in maintenance mode with a security update now and then, going). What other Python 2.x compatible interpreter would you propose instead of Tauthon? * Why, other than based on your false claims, is Tauthon being removed? * Why, other than based on your false claims, is Tauthon being rejected? * Why does anyone think that clusteradm@'s removal of ONE instance of mailman 2 by some unmaintained (*) software is a justification to ditch mailman 2? * Why do you mislead people on "you are of course free to provide you own version of " when at the same time you threaten to remove other ports. While I am certainly fine with "no new Python 2 ports permitted", the refusal of Tauthon certainly warrants justification. (*) release frequency was abused as argument against mailman 2 - only that since the latest mlmmj release, there have been eleven mailman 2.1 releases.