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<<On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:13:13 -0400, "Brian F. Feldman" <green@freebsd.org> said:

> Contrived.  Let's see one.  There won't be any -- they will be using 
> threads, not kqueues, because threads work on more than one system.

Except, of course, that the thread library may use kqueue internally.

> In case 
> you didn't notice, kqueues have been horribly broken for years now

For values of ``horribly broken'' apparently equal to ``not understood
by green''.

-GAWollman