From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 12 23:37:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD51816A41A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:37:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3994443D45; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:37:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202F7131D73; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:07:53 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E87DA8675C; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:07:52 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:07:52 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20060612233752.GH79172@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200606070333.k573XmRc067920@repoman.freebsd.org> <200606090853.48604.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060610005707.GK7549@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200606120849.57695.jhb@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZYOWEO2dMm2Af3e3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200606120849.57695.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: Tom Rhodes , src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD (was: cvs commit: src Makefile README) X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:37:55 -0000 --ZYOWEO2dMm2Af3e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 12 June 2006 at 8:49:56 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Friday 09 June 2006 20:57, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Friday, 9 June 2006 at 8:53:47 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >>> On Wednesday 07 June 2006 20:48, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> Obfuscation is always wrong. > > Not in this case. There's only one value of "always. Obfuscation is always wrong. >>>> The only justification for this regression is that it's really >>>> difficult to get everything right. >> >> Otherwise people would have fixed it. > > No, you aren't reading what I'm saying. In fact, it's the other way round. You're not understanding what *I* am saying. The real issue here is distinguishing between a feature and bug that is difficult to fix. > The justification is a _fundamental_ _design_ FLAW in how 'make > world' works. You can't just patch around that. You can't force > 'make world' to boot up a new kernel for you that will work with the > new userland you are about to install. Why not? This is in fact pretty much what System V does in a slightly different situation. It's not done well, but as I said, it's difficult. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --ZYOWEO2dMm2Af3e3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEjfrQIubykFB6QiMRAhoMAJ96LkeeI1PViX2sjh305boXpZdNiACfcZFl pKzX3UmNlzpY5E2/aWcycTU= =RgWs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZYOWEO2dMm2Af3e3--