From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 22:27:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E74106568E for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFD58FC16 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so940592ywe.13 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:27:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iqwwbYDTvlnTHDzwCIryvXFcIWv/y9eiI3TJXsPKi6E=; b=lFFk916arcsGzD3DssdfBepuWbJyQG/7a7bp+1yXb6cGSMgHMO5V66oHwSSZZ31U4J tAz07bHqauK7XF9GMJIF3KFAOKbx1EqyMJHAQ9NqUWnNV+xf9m9JWCcsXm4OByz0SRJS PJM/n+KxQUFFUiAfjrEl/bEG2cChpOFOGJDtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wAj+DMtwYj/pDJiZAjS0msU2l1h71L3fIYEKG5mmFJ+ARoXC2Zr+G7G67yY6Ykyy5J ZVhM6iqoc5smwYPBMxVl848e2OH9XZcKpCMT/fnoVHk9aNNNXeCLVWUqxzbIBaikZYK1 w9Ntan0rAcW/Zad3BorzTjKVK68b6hzQewNQU= Received: by 10.151.109.11 with SMTP id l11mr5024279ybm.138.1212964075176; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.51.5 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:27:55 -0700 From: "Freddie Cash" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3cc535c80806080449q3ec6e623v8603e9eccc3ab1f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3cc535c80806080449q3ec6e623v8603e9eccc3ab1f2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: CLARITY re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:27:56 -0000 On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Andy Kosela wrote: > On 6/8/08, Freddie Cash wrote: >>>On 6/7/08, Jo Rhett wrote: >>> The question I raised is simply: given the number of bugs opened and >>> fixed since 6.3-RELEASE shipped, why is 6.3 the only supported >>> version? Why does it make sense for FreeBSD to stop supporting a >>> stable version and force people to choose between two different >>> unstable versions? Is this really the right thing to do? >> >>Define the terms "stable" and "unstable", how you measure said >>"stability" and "instability", and what you are comparing them >>against. > > This whole discussion is really interesting as it clearly showcases two > common trends in computing (rapid development vs stability) Like I said, you have to define what you mean by "stable" and "unstable" before the discussion can continue. "stable" can mean many things to many people. You talk about feature stability. Other may talk about "number of open bugs" as being unstable. Others may talk of API/ABI stability. Other may mean "code that don't crash a system". Your view of "stable" meaning "features don't change" is no where near my definition of stable (systems that don't crash, and where I can run binaries from older point releases on newer point releases). The joy of English is that words are overloaded with multiple meanings. And until everyone agrees on which meaning of the words they are using, there's very little point in discussing things ... as everyone will be talking about something different. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com